Andy Stanley Suggests Defending ‘Gay Rights’ is a ‘Moral Value’ the Gospel Set Loose
With the news that Andy Stanley’s North Point Community Church has become a cesspool filled with LGBTQ+ affirming pastors, leaders, ministries, guest speakers, and conferences, it’s unsurprising that as more stones are overturned, more deviant theology emerges.
We’ve been covering this extensively over the last two months, revealing that not only is Stanley gay-affirming according to multiple testimonies from his pastors and leaders, but that multiple pastors and leaders within his church are gay-affirming, and that the church is hosting pro-LGBTQ+ conferences and family ministries, as well as recommending LGBTQ+ resources to families.
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During his March 26, 2023, he favorably quotes gay-affirming author Phillip Yancey. In a case of “one of these things is not like the other” Stanley says that when people say things like “we need human rights” and ostensibly gay rights “they’re actually leveraging the teaching of Jesus, whether they know it or not.”
I love this quote by Philip Yancey. I‘ve shared it with you before, I will probably share it with you forever. This is from his amazing book he wrote years ago, called Vanishing Grace. Here’s here’s what he writes. He says, ‘Those Who condemn the church for its blind spots’ and of course we have blind spots. The amazing about the church- we’re going to talk about this in about two and half months- is that the church has a self-correcting mechanism on the inside. But from time to time, church is and the church says crazy things. He says ‘There are those who condemned the church for its blind spots. They do so by gospel principles.” In other words, the very principles that people outside the church use to hold the church accountable are actually principles that came from Jesus. “Arguing for the very moral values that the gospel originally set loose in the world.”
In other words, when people say “we need Justice and we need human rights and we need, we need” they’re actually leveraging the teaching of Jesus whether they know it or not. Here’s what he goes on to say. And there’s so much evidence for this. I’ve shared some of that with you before. He writes “human rights, civil rights, women’s rights, minority rights, gay rights, disability Rights, animal rights- the success of these, modern movements,”- these are all modern movements, “the success of these, modern movements, reflect a widespread empathy for the oppressed that has no precedent in the ancient world.”
Again, what is intuitive to us is not intuitive. We learned it. What is self-evident to us about the dignity that other people deserve, it is not self-evident. We learned it. And it we learned it, it was launched by the teaching of Jesus. He goes on he says this “classial philosophers considered mercy and pity to be character defects.” To be generous to somebody who didn’t earn it was a character defect. To show compassion for someone who doesn’t have anything to do with you and you can’t get anything from them, and there’s no benefit for showing compassion, that was considered a character defect. Nobody celebrated you for that. “Contrary to justice, not until Jesus”-this is so documented- “not until Jesus did that attitude change.”
Full Yancey quote.
“Those who condemn the church for its blind spots do so by gospel principles, arguing for the very moral values that the gospel originally set loose in the world. Human rights, civil rights, women’s rights, minority rights, gay rights, disability rights, animal rights—the success of these modern movements reflects a widespread empathy for the oppressed that has no precedent in the ancient world; classical philosophers considered mercy and pity to be character defects, contrary to justice. Not until Jesus did that attitude change.
When the rest of the world criticizes us for our failings, we should respond with humility and repentance, qualities that lobby groups and activists don’t typically display. Christians know that the church in 2100 will look back on the church of 2000 and shake its head in sad incomprehension. How could we have missed what will seem so obvious to them?
Our challenge as Jesus’ followers is to align ourselves with the true gospel, and to reclaim the force it has released to a world in desperate need.”
~ Vanishing Grace: What Ever Happened to the Good News?
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Utterly morally corrupt… God’s Word couldn’t be clearer, He loves the sinner, but he HATES the sin.
God is equally clear that anyone engaged in moral degeneracy is repugnant to Him. That means that anyone engaged in any sexual behavior beyond His creation of male and female is NOT in His grace. I don’t care what some pandering preachers vomits out…
2 Timothy 4:3 “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”
God “loves the sinner, but he HATES the sin.”
God certainly shows his love towards sinners but the sinner and his sin are inseparable.
I nowhere find this kind of formulation in the Scriptures.
Romans 5:8-9
“God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood (Christ’s death on the cross) , much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.”
God’s wrath is going to poured out on all sinners who have not been justified by faith in Christ. By believing all he taught and repentance (turning from our sin back to God) we are “justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” (Romans 5:9, 3:24).
Jesus tells us that our failure to keep the two great commandments – wholehearted devotion to God and a compassionate concern for people including our enemies – will exclude people from his kingdom. Both Jesus and Paul give us a long list of the various sins that exclude us including sexual immorality and homosexuality but so too does envy and greed, slander and drunkenness. Sadly, those who do not accept the Bible’s vedict on what is sin, are preaching another gospel and under God’s condemnation. Jesus can preaching repent and believe.
Correction:
Jesus came preaching “repent and believe in the gospel.” (Mark 1:15)
There is only one thing that gets you in Hell. And that’s not believing Jesus Christ died for your sins. That’s it. You either believe it or you don’t. Every other condition is man made.
Once you believe, you have to walk with Jesus.
Empty shell of expressed belief is a falsehood.
Believing also carries the burden of “following” in Jesus’ teaching from then on.
As in the teaching of Jesus: “Go and sin no more”.
Believe but to continue on path of sin is a personal rejection with “empty” words of belief.
This is not true.
The Rich and the Kingdom of God
16Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18“Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,’ c and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’ d ”
20“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
27Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?”
28Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife e or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
John 3
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Your comment shows you don’t understand God’s love for all of us. The pedant in you obtusely ignores both the intent and truth of my statement. God does lover every sinner. Yet, he hates their sins. Those who repent and believe in Him will be saved. Your comment shows a narrow-minded approach to life.
You delivered a long comment prove that you don’t understand how God looks at the world.
TNRich, your comments show that you interpret the Bible according to false Arminian concepts of God, not according to the actual Word of God. John 3:16 emphasizes the quality of God’s love in that He is able to love those who are in rebellion against Him. John utilizes the world Cosmos (world) to indicate people in rebellion throughout his Gospel and epistles. You are misinterpreting the word, world, to indicate every human being. This does not square with the balance of Scripture. Maybe you explain how God hated Pharaoh and Esau (Romans 9)? Hate here does not mean that God loved them less as many Arminians try to claim, no, they were hated and intended to be the objects of His wrath. If fact, Scripture says that God created Pharaoh and Esau for the purpose of displaying His wrath and power against them – against THEM as people, not against their sin. This alone is a direct conflict with your interpretation of John 3:16, as well as your claim that God loves everyone but only hates the sin. In fact, Scripture says that all unsaved people are children of wrath for which God is saving up wrath against them. This indicates that human beings ARE the children of wrath. It is not saying that sin is the child of wrath or that God is saving up wrath against their sin. People, living people, people who are alive on earth prior to their death and condemnation for their absence of faith in Christ’s salvific work, are the children of wrath. While all of humanity received God’s common grace, only believers are loved by God as His children. Only believers, the elect, can claim to be sinners that God loves. I hope you can come to a truer understanding of God’s character and not continue to bash those who are correctly interpreting the Word. Here is a good link by an excellent source: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/is-it-true-that-god-loves-the-sinner-but-hates-the-sin
Amen!
Oh really? And where does the Bible say that? Next the queers are going to say the Virgin Mary was trans. Right?
Actually, they are saying that Jesus was. So great is their blasphemy. God forgive them.
Jesus spoke out against oppression of the innocent. Not against any alleged oppression of sinners. He made it clear that sin (including all sexual immorality) comes from the wickedness of the heart (Mark 7:21-22), consistently called sinners to repentance, and that, as with the prodigal son, the sinner’s only oppressor is himself.
Further, in what is symbolic of the sinful condition of fallen mankind, he dealt with diseases such as leprosy not by wrongly brow-beating people of the city for disallowing the diseased into their midst, but by healing the diseased.
The same applies to the demon possessed.
We may pity the sinner, but we are not the sinner’s oppressor.
God’s values work as a complete whole. God defined a complete standard that completely works as a whole. If you remove, add, or try to change anything, then the result is not God’s values but a satanic counterfeit.
Stanley then takes that satanic counterfeit and uses it to oppress the innocent, in a manner like, but worse than, the Pharisees.
Stanley is just peacocking his apostasy at this point
Stanley is indefensible at this point. Pray for those naive and undiscerning Christians still blindly following this moral and intellectual failure.
Cram it, virgin.
I see the 12-year-old troll is back.
The idea that God loves the wicked is just a conflation and misinterpretation of John 3:16. The “world” is conflated to mean every man, woman and child that has every lived. Read Psalms 5 and 11 and you’ll get a clearer picture of what God thinks about the wicked. Is God beneficent to the wicked? Yes, but it is to put them in a slippery place. In all the public preaching of Jesus never once did he say that God loved the people, let alone, loving people indiscriminately. But when you get to the epistles, written to Christ’s church…then you you read about how much God loves His PEOPLE, His ELECT. “God loves the sinner, but hates the sin” is nothing but a half truth.
Whatever Stanley is, heathen most likely, I wouldn’t accept him as a brother and I wouldn’t accept his church as “Christian”. Stanley has a different religion than I do.
Wow… your religion is a vicious mockery of everything Christ came to earth to do.
So, did Jesus shed His blood for only the elect? Are you preaching the false doctrine of predestination? Sure sounds like it.
Are you serious? The word predestination is actually in the Bible. are you teaching the false religion of Armininism?
Yes, TNRich is doing exactly that. He has applied to God some very palatable characteristics of his own invention. I feel for him as I recall my own misunderstandings and misinterpretations of Scripture early in my Christian walk. The agony of believing in a weak God, not being able to understand God’s complete sovereignty or reconcile why there is evil in the world, and unable to experience the peace of knowing that a good God controls it all.
Also, the idea that something that is sinful is a civil right is a pagan idea, not a biblical idea. But the church is more and more detached from the bible, and more and more connected to the constitution. For instance…the free exercise clause of the 1st amendment actually codifies the pseudo freedom to practice false religion in explicit violation of the 1st and 2nd commandments. Let God be true and every man a liar.
Andy Stanley is a wolf who dragsmen from the truth. He will stand with many of his brethren, fellow wolves and have to give an account for their wickedness.
God’s word tells us that those who teach will be held to a higher standard of judgement…
James 3:1
“Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.”
I find it so interesting that these people always forget the end of the story about the adulterous woman. He told her to “Now go and sin no more.” John 8:11 How convenient that that part gets left out.
Thanks for not being opening racist in this comment, Susan. Progress!