Bethel Church has finally responded to longstanding accusations of platforming and promoting alleged sexual abuser and confirmed false prophet Shawn Bolz, apologizing for their error while stating they are “sad and embarrassed” by their past behavior.
Bethel addressed the issue during their sermon yesterday, following apologist Mike Winger’s recent release of a nearly six-hour exposé on Bolz. The video detailed how Bolz was protected and his sins covered up by church leadership, sparking growing outrage and pressure that even this church, which is accustomed to silencing or ignoring criticism, could no longer avoid.
In a statement posted to their website, which was also read by senior church leadership during the service, Dan Farrelly began by saying:
We take responsibility for the fact that we did not properly and fully bring discipline, closure, or clear and timely communication regarding the gravity of our concerns with Shawn Bolz. This was someone we platformed to preach and prophesy in our house and with our teams on many occasions up until 2019…We are clear that we are not responsible for Shawn’s sin, he is. But we are equally clear that we are responsible for our sins, actions, and inactions after the fact
The truth is, we have hurt and scared people because we did not tell the truth enough, early enough, long enough, or loud enough, and this is a just criticism. Our hearts are grieved, and embarrassed.
Farrelly credits 18,000 Bethel alumni for their role in being confronted, noting “it was their communication and agitation 18 months ago, and since, that drew our attention back, and subsequently other national voices, to the necessity of finally and appropriately addressing this.”
Next, Kris Vallotton, Bethel’s chief prophet, took the stage. While Vallotton struck a far more defiant tone in his message last week, he began by revealing “I have had a change of perspective since my message last Sunday evening, and I’m writing with a repentant heart today.”
In 2019, allegations of sexual harassment came to us through a former member on Shawn’s team. Danny confronted Shawn on this, and he denied any wrongdoing. After further investigation, which included speaking to three of Shawn’s former team members, the accusations were corroborated and showed that this was a culture within Shawn’s team.
After confirming that “Shawn was using social media to get information for false words of knowledge,” he shared that he flew down to confront Bolz, who in a 4-hour meeting denied everything.
I warned him that if someone else must confess his sin, it would be far worse than repenting and doing the right thing. We felt we should give him time to choose repentance, until Shawn stopped engaging with us on the accusations entirely.
It’s at this point that “We decided to remove him from our platforms, take down his resources from our store, remove his sermons from our network, and to communicate to ministry friends that we knew had him on their platforms as well.”
I did not realize until just a few days ago that my approach was merely that of helping a friend, because he was not on our staff or our teams, and we had confronted his board with our findings on several occasions. We did not feel taking things further was our responsibility, and felt that we had done what we could. However, this was a major mistake. We should have told our church and wider community in 2020. We did not. That was wrong.
We platformed him because we believed in him, and when he failed, and failed to repent, it was our responsibility to tell people that we no longer trusted him in order to protect them. That was my decision to not communicate more widely, and my error in judgement.
Commenting on Winger’s video, and the very necessity of it, he remarks:
It grieves me that someone would need to put out a video to prompt us to action. It’s an indictment against my leadership. I should have known better in this situation, and if I didn’t, I should have sought counsel on what to do. I didn’t do that, and I’m very sorry. I take full responsibility for that, but I know that sorry is not enough. People took prophetic words from Shawn, and I did not step in to support their journey of how to process them in light of these revelations.
It wasn’t just that, however. Bethel’s chief prophet laments:
When one of the victims of Shawn’s sexual allegations reached out to me for help in this crisis, after several conversations and phone calls, I made a decision to remove his access to me without compassion due to my personal overwhelm. I am grieved by my actions.
I specifically want to apologize to victims of Shawn: those who experienced Shawn’s inappropriate and sexually harassing culture, and those who struggled to process or made life decisions as a result of prophetic words that they’d received. I am very sorry.
Vallotton explains that he regrets his attitude during his last message, and that as a result he wants to “shift” Bethel’s “cultural values” so that they come to “care more about character than we do about gifting in the leaders who grace our podium and are promoted by us.”
Finally, Bill Johnson apologized for the initial response to Bolz, saying “My great strength, and in this instance weakness, is that I believe in people when they don’t deserve it. But in this situation, it became unsanctified mercy.”
Johnson apologized for appearing on TBN to promote Bolz’s book even after he knew about the allegations:
Doing the TBN show, after learning of his damaging experience, and then promoting Shawn and his book was a slap in the face to Shawn’s former team member, and to those who suffered from Shawn’s behavior…
It was incredibly careless. I realize now that I contributed to their trauma, and I am deeply grieved by this and am sorry.
Collectively, as a result, Bethel Church publicly affirms:
“We would like to clearly state that the evidence we have seen concerning Shawn’s prophetic integrity has produced broken trust with his ministry. We believe that Shawn was not truthful in how he received his words of knowledge and prophetic words. We also acknowledge our belief that he engaged in sexually explicit and harassing behavior towards some members of his staff. We do not condone his actions, or endorse his ministry. We strongly advise you to take our position into account if you choose to interact with his materials.”
For his part, Bolz has been silent, though he did send a letter to supporters, saying:
While that’s all well and good, not all of Mike Winger’s six-hour video was about the Shawn Bolz allegations. Bethel Church has a ton of strange and aberrant beliefs that they dismiss and ignore all criticism of, and by making everything about this issue, without being open to others, it’s a convenient excuse to suppose this is the sum of what they have to answer for.
Their diverse beliefs include teaching ‘Little God theology,’ using prophetic Uno cards, going on satanic treasure hunts, teaching that Adam created the animals in Eden, that Michael the Archangel wears tights and is always grumpy, that angels sit around the throne of God having “farting contests,” and possessing and using the infamous ‘Honey Barrel,‘ it’s a hotbed of strange fire burning uncontrollably throughout Christendom. (see endnotes for many more)
Furthermore, Bethel Church never addressed the fact that they shut down all their “healing houses” during COVID-times and in October 2020, Bethel and its School of Supernatural Ministry had so many cases of the novel coronavirus linked to outbreaks at their school and church – none of which were healed by the numerous gifted apostles and faith healers- that it caused the county with over 175,000 people to go into lockdown mode, prompting the Chief Executive Officer for the Shasta Community Health Center to call out Bill and Beni Johnson by name for being ‘super spreaders.’
Commenting on the statement, apologist Justin Peters says it’s not good enough by half, writing on X:
“Only when Bill Johnson, Kris Vallotton and every single person on staff at Bethel (they all knew) shut down the “church,” liquidate everything the ministry owns, gives the money to doctrinally sound ministries and churches, permanently step down from any kind of ministry and join a doctrinally sound church will they be demonstrating true repentance. Anything short of that is not repentance. Bethel never has been a true church and it never will be.”
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Repentance is always good. However, for their own sake, and the sake of all who are led away by false gospels, it must be said that men who are truly born again, indwelled by the Holy Spirit, will not do what they did. Nor is this repentance indicative of any presence of the Holy Spirit. It certainly shouldn’t take the persistence of 18000 people to convince them that they badly sinned.
As it pertains to giving someone time and opportunity to repent, this is why it is important that we understand Matt. 18, Jesus is referring to trespasses against one another, not how to deal with false prophets or blatant and rebellious trespasses against the Lord. Because what they have ultimately done is to fail to honor Matt. 18 and 1 Cor. 6, which clearly state that it is indeed the church’s responsibility to hear and deal with such matters, with respect to those who were sinned against, who themselves were honoring Matt. 18. It’s not the place of those who weren’t sinned against to make such decisions. It’s the place of those who were sinned against. As Jesus said in the verses following, who can loose on earth, and who can bind on earth, except those involved? If one can’t himself forgive a trespass on behalf of those sinned against, then it’s also not his place to make any such decisions on their behalf. Especially just cutting them off entirely, abandoning those who were sinned against. At that point, they’re beating the sheep for doing nothing wrong, and coddling the wolf, perverting the grace of God into a license to sin.
That said, I certainly don’t think worse of them as a result of this repentance. It is unquestionably a step in the right direction, even if the motives aren’t perfectly pure and genuine. They’re much better off for having repented. And I think better of them for having done so. Though they are still very far away from where they need to be, which would be more along the lines of what Justin Peters suggested. Sometimes things can be fixed. Other times it’s so bad and badly broken that you have to throw it in the trash and start over. Bethel is in the latter category, without a doubt.
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This is so weak, lame, and pathetic to the nth degree. This is not a full-throated, no-holds barred confession of sin and guilt and culpability.
In fact, nowhere in the reported remarks, both by way of text and video clips is the word “sin” or “evil” ever used in regard to their sinful and evil behavior.
Here are my complaints with this carefully crafted, guarded, clever non-apology and non-confession of sin:
1) Why wasn’t Bill Johnson the first one up-to-bat? He is the pastor, leader, and public face of this whole farcical movement.
Who in the world is Dan Farrelly? Who cares what he thinks? It’s Bill Johnson and Kris Valloton who own this sordid mess.
The reason Dan Farrelly went first is it cleverly puts a measure of distance between Johnson and Valloton and this train wreck of a dumpster fire. It softens the blow.
He can be the bearer of the bad news, and then Valloton and Johnson can clean up the mess and dodge and weave on their own terms.
Cowards. Both of them.
2. I don’t know which one is more pathetic, Johnson or Valloton, but I’ll start with Valloton.
Kris cleverly portrays himself as a tragic hero; he went to Shawn, spent hours trying to get Shawn to see the light and repent, and Shawn just wouldn’t cop to it.
“I was so frustrated, I just didn’t know what to do”, Valloton whines.
Really, Kris, you didn’t know what to do? Ever heard of Matthew 18:15-19, Titus 3:9-11,
I Timothy 5:19-22?
No? Didn’t think so; you spend more time reading “Jesus Calling” (or rather, letting your wife read “Jesus Calling” to you at the breakfast table) than reading Scripture.
This is what’s so disgusting about listening to Johnson and Vallton – their language is far more psychological than biblical; they keep blathering about “seasons” and “journeys”, and “processing trauma” rather than confession of sin, repentance, humility, and sanctification.
THEY DON’T KNOW THE SCRIPTURES!! They don’t study it, they don’t preach it, they don’t value it, they don’t know it; Johnson is famous for his disdain for Scripture, famously stating in one of his obnoxious bestsellers, and I’m paraphrasing, “if you’re really going to follow in the way of Jesus, you’re going to have to go beyond the road map” (the Bible).
These men and this whole movement are completely disconnected from Scripture.
You didn’t know what to do, Kris? Have you never read Matthew 18:16, “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed.
I don’t know how it could be more clear, Kris, but it never dawned on you to do that because either you’ve never read the Gospel of Matthew or you did read it one time a long time ago and it’s just not a part of the fiber of your being that effects your “ministry”; you may have read the scroll, but you haven’t eaten it.
The last step in that process in Matthew 18 if there is no repentance upon the confirmation of two of three witnesses is to bring it before the church, and if that doesn’t prompt repentance to put them out of the church in the hopes that the pain of separation will bring genuine remorse, repentance, and restoration to the body.
Which leads to my next editorial complaint before moving to the serpentine Johnson.
3. The reason Valloton or Johnson couldn’t bring Shawn before the church is because there IS no church in the charismatic/Word of Faith/NAR movement.
Oh sure, I understand, there’s World Victory Outreach Center Church and Mighty Overcomers Miracles Church and the World Without Walls Warriors Church and all that other nonsense.
But those all serve essentially as hotbeds of error, money laundering centers, media outlets, and tax dodges for the big guns behind them.
The heartbeat and life and glory of the Charismatic/WOF/NAR movement – and this has to be understood or the hapless, psychotherapeutic flounderings of Valloton and Johnson and others will never be understood – the heartbeat of the movement is not the local church, but the conference/camp meeting/revival meeting/prophecy seminar circuit.
The NAR/WOF/Charismatic movement is not solidly and scripturally grounded in the local church as defined by Scripture; it is entirely a camp meeting/revival meeting/prophecy conference movement.
This is why Valloton and Johnson and Che Ahn and others were at such a loss as to what to do with Shawn Bolz (aside from their own personal interest in profiting from his success).
Who is Shawn Bolz accountable to? What local church is he under the authority of? What elders?
Shawn is out there doing his own lone-wolf Chrstianity thing with his own “ministry”, just like they all do with their own prophecy conference/book tour/revival meeting “ministries”.
Of course they can’t do anything with Shawn of any other of the savage wovles running amuck in their midst, including themselves.
Their is no accountability in the NAR/WOF/Charismatic movement. Everyone’s doing their own thing, everyone’s got their own word from God, every man’s his own authority, Scripture and the local church be darned! “TOUCH NOT GOD’S ANNOINTED”!
It can’t be said loud enough and long enough; this whole train wreck of a dumpster fire is not only NOT a Scripture based movement, it is NOT a church based movement; it is a conference based movement with no accountability, no rules, and no Bible.
4) Bill Johnson has to be the craftiest, humblebragginest snake that ever slithered through the grass.
College graduate on his first serious job interview with a Fortune 500; “Johnny, what’s your biggest weakness?”
“Well, my biggest weakness is I just work too hard, I don’t know when to turn it off; I think it makes co-workers jealous because I just set the bar way too high when it comes to productivity”.
Bill Johnson in his best “aw shucks”, super gentle grandfatherly tone; ““My great strength, and in this instance weakness, is that I believe in people when they don’t deserve it. But in this situation, it became unsanctified mercy.”
Oh man, that is good – I mean from a PR, damage control perspective, that is, which is all these guys are – they aren’t men of God; they’re sales reps, PR reps, damage control consultants.
“Unsanctified mercy”; that is pure PR gold, brother, that will sell.
Aw Bill, we’re so sorry, that blatantly obvious false prophet Shawn Bolz just took advantage of the goodness of your heart and genuine belief in others and suckered you in before you knew it.
That scoundrel, taking advantage of a faithful, godly fraudster like you, almost like one thief rippin’ off another.
You’re the real victim here Bill, not the many lives wounded and scarred by the predations of Shawn Bolz whom you promoted and shielded even when you knew the truth.
We’re so sorry this is happening to you Bill. Maybe you could use a good trauma counselor; I mean, they know alot more about these kind of things than the Bible, so why bother with that since you never do anyway and don’t even like it.
I agree with Justin Peters; unless and until Bethel is shut down, boarded up, liquidated at clearance sale prices with proceeds to biblically sound churches, and Johnson and Valloton and the others take jobs as landscapers or marketing consultants (which they’re already really good at), then there is no real repentance.
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A comprehensive Jewish polemic against the theological foundations of Xtianity and Islam. Where was JeZeus throughout the Shoah? Where was Allah throughout the Nakba total defeat disasters of ’48, ’67, & most recently the 12 Day War?
Explain how the local tribal god of Sinai who dwells in the Mishkan Yatzir Ha-Tov/strictly and only within the hearts of the chosen Cohen seed of Avraham, Yitzak, and Yaacov – upon this Earth, does eternally judge the Monotheistic Universal Gods of Golgotha (place of the skull) and Mecca & Medina who occupy the Heavens – as false Baal Gods of Av Tuma avoda zarah – no different from the Gods worshipped by Par’o and Egypt or the Gods worshipped by the Canaanites.
The Torah’s God is not a distant “universal father” but the local, tribal Elohim of Sinai, who entered history through the brit cut between the pieces with Avraham, promising land and seed to Israel alone. This God judges all nations but resides only in the mishkan (tabernacle) of Jewish hearts committed to tohorah and tzedek (justice). Monotheism’s universalism profanes this faith that pursues justice within the borders of the oath brit lands, by inventing heavenly overlords who demand submission from all humanity, violating the Second Commandment: “You shall have no other gods before Me”, which explicitly condemns the polytheistic undertones of trinitarian Christianity and the absolutist Allah of Islam as echoes of Ba’al worship—gods of storm, fertility, or conquest that promise salvation but deliver tumah.
JeZeus as a Protocols of the Elders of Zion NT blood libel slander, did not know the fundamental distinction which separates Torah common law from Roman Statute Law. Likewise his similar Nathan of Gaza who served as the disciple of Shabbetai Tzvi … commonly known in NT rhetoric propaganda as “the Apostle Paul”. To sanctify the mitzva of shabbat (all Torah commandments apply equally to all chosen Cohen seed of the Avot – including the mitzva of Moshiach) requires making the הבדלה distinction between time-oriented Av commandments from toldot positive & negative commandments which do not require k’vanna; this בינה that discerns like from like מלאכה מן עבודה, separates holy from profane – t’ruma from chol. The imaginary man JeZeus did not “understand” the mitzva of shabbat any more than do Xtians understand the mitzva of Moshiach or Muslims understand the mitzva of Torah prophets; Torah prophets command mussar – T’NaCH does not instruct history because prophesy as a mussar rebuke applies equally straight across the board to all generations of the chosen Cohen seed of the Avot, no different than Shabbat and Moshiach.
The dedication of the House of Aaron as Moshiach serves as the Av precedent for all other Moshiach dedications thereafter. The precedent for korbanot learns from the rejection of Cain’s korban. A Torah korban exists as a time-oriented commandment which requires the “wisdom” of k’vanna-swearing a Torah oath through שם ומלכות. The term מלכות refers to the king-like leadership direction of the 13 tohor Oral Torah spirits which Moshe Rabbeinu perceived at Horev 40 days following the sin of the Golden Calf av definition of all avoda zarah for all generations. The Oral Torah revelation occurred on Yom Kippor wherein HaShem remembered the oaths sworn unto the Avot and annulled the vow to make from Moshe the father for the chosen Cohen people. Just as brit does not translate correctly as covenant, so too and how much more so t’shuva does not correctly translate as repentance for sin. Torah faith does not atone for sin, Yom Kippor makes atonement for a failure to rule the oath sworn lands with righteous judicial common law Sanhedrin justice which makes fair restitution of damages inflicted by bnai brit upon bnai brit. Aaron as the first anointed Moshiach – dedicates through the sanctification of korbanot the righteous pursuit of judicial justice among the chosen Cohen seed of the Avot within the borders of Judea.
Matthew genealogy traces the lineage of its Harry Potter through Joseph. Luke’s genealogy traces its lineage through Mary. LOL. Matthew lists 42 generations while Luke lists 77 generations! Matthew begins with Avraham and moves forward while Luke begins with Adam. The final name in Matthew’s genealogy Joseph (husband of Mary). While Luke ends with JeZeus. Matthew follows Solomon’s line; Luke follows Nathan’s line. All gospel Roman forgeries fail to grasp the Torah negative commandment of a “bastard child”.
The gospel of Luke ignores that all Goyim reject to this day the revelation of the Torah at Sinai. No gospel forgery ever once includes the 1st Commandment revelation of HaShem who dwells thereafter only within the Yatzir Ha-Tov of the hearts of the Chosen Cohen seed of Avraham Yitzak and Yaacov – brit cut between the pieces. Nathan, another descendant of David not tied to the kingship.
Anymore than the gospels has any linkage to the Torah dedication of the mitzva of Moshiach – based upon king David’s failure to judge the Case of Bat Sheva’s husband with justice. Ruling the land/people with righteous judicial justice defines the Torah intent of the mitzva of Moshiach. Luke’s attempt to make its false messiah into an av tuma Universal messiah for all Mankind, violates the revelation of the Torah at Sinai.
Moshe first anointed the House of Aaron as Moshiach. Aaron stands on the foundation of Elohim acceptance of the sacrifice dedicated by Hevel, despite Cain being born first. This theme duplicated again and again in Yishmael/Yitzak, Esau\Yaacov, Reuven\Yosef, pre-sin of Golden Calf first born of Israel/post Golden Calf tribe of Levi. The Luke/puke contradicts JeZeus’s declaration to the Samaritan woman! Hence the NT compare more to a superman comic book than an actual replacement of the brit chosen Cohen seed of the Avot replaced by a Roman fictional Harry Potter messiah.
The greatest flaw of the gospel forgeries, hands down without any question, their utter replacement theological failure which fails to grasp that all the Torah mitzvot revealed at Sinai apply equally – straight across the board – like shabbat and tohorat Ha-beit for married women – to all generations of the chosen Cohen seed of Avraham Yitzak and Yaacov.
Furthermore the JeZeus false messiah failed to differentiate the Avot in Genesis perception of El, Elohim, El Shaddai etc as a God in the Heavens from the revelation of HaShem in the 1st Sinai Commandment wherein the Divine Presence middot revealed to Moshe after the sin of the Golden Calf on Yom Kippur live in this Earth only within the hearts of the Yatzir Ha-Tov Cohen people. When the followers of the Harry Potter false messiah asked their God how to pray he taught them: Our Father who is in Heaven … this fundamentally violates and profanes the revelation of the Torah at Sinai – the Spirits of HaShem live within the Tabernacle of the Yatzir Ha-Tov within the bnai brit Cohen hearts.
Tefillah – Kre’a Shma – Hear Israel HaShem Elohynu HaShem Echad. The word One does not refer as the av tuma avoda zara theologies promoted by the NT and Koran false prophet frauds of Universal Monotheism. Monotheism violates the 2nd Sinai Commandment; HaShem sent Moshe to Egypt to judge the Gods of Egypt! Rather the word ONE refers to the oath that a Cohen swears through his tefillen to remember the oaths sworn by Avraham Yitzak and Yaacov wherein the Avot cut an oath alliance to father the chosen Cohen people. Hence the 3 Divine Names in this one verse have the intention to remember the oaths the Avot swore to father the chosen Cohen seed for all eternity. Furthermore, the name Elohynu judges and separates HaShem from HaShem; acceptance of the Written and Oral Torah revelation לשמה.
The father determines the genealogy of both sons of Aaron and Kings of both Yechuda and Israel. The NT fraud has no concept that once a man acquires title to the O’lam Ha’bah (future born children) of his wife, that even if Zeus himself fathered Hercules that under Torah law Hercules constitutes a bastard. That the beating of JeZeus almost to death and torturing him upon a cross compares to offering a deformed animal on an altar as a Torah sacrifice. תורה לא בשמים – a direct quote from the Book of D’varim which defines the revelation of the First Sinai Commandment for all eternity thereafter. JeZeus depicted as the “Son of God/virgin birth” … a bastard child forever excluded כרת from the seed of the Avot chosen Cohen people.
The brutal murder of fictional Harry Potter JeZeus through judicial corruption and injustice totally the opposite of Moshe dedication of the House of Aaron as Moshiach. The prophet Shmuel first anointed Shaul of the tribe of Binyamin as Moshiach, but his failure to pursue justice – specifically in the mitzva of Amalek (understood as Jewish ערב רב – assimilated Jews who follow foreign cultures & customs who intermarry with Goyim who reject the revelation of the Torah at Sinai.) Amalek or antisemitism plagues all generations of Jews with Torah curses no different than the plague curses in Egypt.
Superficially Yonah sent to “warn” the king of Assyria. But Torah prophets serve only as the mussar police of Sanhedrin courtroom rulings. The Sanhedrin courts only have jurisdiction within the borders of Judea. Hence for the prophet Yona sent to Assyria his mission replicates that of Moshe in Egypt sent to cause the exiled 10 tribes of Israel to remember the brit oath sworn to the Avot. Assyria conquered shortly after Yonah commanded his mussar to the exiled seed of the 10 Tribes by the Babylonian empire.
Contrasts the Torah’s depth with the superficial, treif distortions peddled by the church—as epitomized in that 1956 Hollywood spectacle, The Ten Commandments, where a bald Yul Brynner as Pharaoh and a chiseled Charlton Heston as Moshe reduce Sinai to a cinematic farce. The revelation of the Torah at Sinai caused Israel to recoil after hearing only the first two dibrot (statements) directly from HaShem’s tohor spirits.
Understanding why the aseret ha-dibrot (the “Ten Statements,” not “Commandments” as the church mistranslates to fit its legalistic idolatry) appear twice. Israel demanded thereafter that Moshe ascend to receive the remainder of the Torah—Written and Oral—lest these tohor middot consume their Yatzir Ha-Raw tuma middot.
The aseret ha-dibrot repeated twice in the Torah, this duplication, it exposes the root of Torah common law; which stands firmly upon bininei avot—the foundational “building fathers” or precedents that generate an expansive edifice of halachah. As enslaved Israel made bricks to build Egyptian treasure cities, the Talmud employs the building block of Hillel’s 7 middot, Akiva’s 10 middot, Yishmael’s 13 middot, and HaGallilee’s 32 middot; every sugya of Gemara stands upon these יסודי logical building blocks.
These are not mere repetitions for emphasis, as Goyim theologians defame the Talmud as the words of Men, far removed from the Word of God! Rather the concept of T’NaCH prophetic Oral Torah mussar middot and Talmudic halachic middot bridge the gap of holiness which elevates holy to most holy commandments. Shabbat serves as an Av precedent for all other wisdom-commandments which require k’vanna wherein Jews in all generations dedicates tohor Oral Torah middot – which the Talmud calls: מלכות. As the Torah has two grades of commandments the T’NaCH & Talmud judicial common law have two grades of middot.
Torah speaks in the language of Man. The kabbalistic term “shekinah” stands upon the Mishkan precedent. Its not the form of the Mishkan and its vessels which defines the revelation of the Torah at Sinai/Horev; anymore than its the 6 days of Creation משל, but rather the introduction of time oriented commandments נמשל. The נמשל that the רוח הקדוש Oral Torah middot of Horev breath life into the Ya’tzir Ha-Tov of the Chosen Cohen peoples’ hearts. Hence the error spelling of the word heart as לבב in the tefillah דאורייתא acceptance of the yoke of the “kingdom of heaven”.
Meaning remembering the oath sworn by the Avot to father the Chosen Cohen people and the acceptance of the Written and Oral Torahs at Sinai and Horev. Herein designates the k’vanna of the time-oriented wisdom commandment known as קריא שמע. As this commandment applies to all generations of Israel so too the mitzva of Moshiach. Jews do not wait for a fabled 2nd coming of JeZeus. “Time” not as literal hours but as opportune wisdom (as in Ecclesiastes 3:1–8’s “a time for every matter”). Thus the repetition of the 10 dibrot serve to define the elevation of time-oriented commandments as the k’vanna to remember the redemption from Egyptian exile – as expressed in the first Sinai t’shuva commandment.
The revelation of the Oral Torah, according to the kabbalah taught by rabbi Akiva’s פרדס understanding, reveals a dynamic logic variable inductive format, as opposed to the ancient Greek philosophers static rigid syllogism deductive logic. Islam’s sharia mimics toldot without av wisdom, leading to rigid fatawa absent prophetic t’shuva. In essence, the twice-repeated 10 dibrot reveal the Torah’s blueprint for common law: a beniyan av teaching generational renewal, mitzvah classification, and mussar-k’vanna. This stands eternally against the church’s movie myths and Islam’s static codes, affirming Sinai’s wisdom for Israel’s seed alone.
Well, that was a stupid argument, beginning with the first paragraph. Where was God when the Israelites were enslaved in Egypt? Where was God when they were defeated and taken captive to Babylon? Where was God when the temple was destroyed in 70AD?
If it weren’t for Jesus, there wouldn’t now be a modern state of Israel. Considering the vast majority of those men who stormed the beaches of Normandy were Christians. And those in power who played a role in it were, by and large, Christians.
Do you not know the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the Old Testament? By your logic, he would be a different God, in violation of the 1st Commandment. So what now?
LOL No where does Sinai mention JeZeus or Allah “New Gods”. The Torah as an Arch theme of g’lut/exile. Starting with Adam from the Garden, Noach in the Ark, the collapse of the Tower of Babel, the 12 Tribes who stood ALONE at Sinai and accepted the Torah, and the Wilderness Generation.
Torah as another Arch theme Blessing vs. Curse. The 10 plagues Torah curses! G’lut/exile a direct Torah curse. In exile Jews become atheists. HaSheM lives only within the chosen lands of Israel. When David fled from Shaul to Goyim lands he said: “I am forced to abandon HaShem.” Ooops you can read Hebrew or Aramaic and forced to rely upon sophomoric bad translations of the Hebrew T’NaCH.
Natan the prophet rebuked king David when he contemplated on copying the ways of how Goyim worship their Gods by building Grand Temples! (Learn how to read). The Book of Kings opens by the prophet Natan saving the lives of Bat Sheva and her son Shlomo. What does this opening narrative add? Silly shallow reactionary reader! Answer: the Book of Kings tells the later story when the son of Shlomo travelled to Sh’Cem to be anointed “moshiach”. Like father like son. Just as Shlomo ignored the mussar of Natan concerning not copying the ways of how Goyim worship their Gods; Goyim worship grand wood and stone structures even “saint” idols if you ask a protestant about catholic worship!
Therefore what’s the prohibition of building the “Temple” since David has “blood on his hands”? Moshe killed an Egyptian guard which forced him to flee from Egypt for decades! “Blood on his hands” refers to his failure to rule the case of Bat Sheva’s husband with justice.
Since king David accepted the prophetic mussar of Natan, (do you even know what mussar means? Mussar defines all T’NaCH prophesy. Why? Because mussar applies equally straight across the board to all generations/O’lam Ha-ba\ of the chosen Cohen people.
King David did not “build” the Beit Ha’Mikdash; meaning he did not establish Federal Sanhedrin Capital Crimes courts within the Republic of the 12 Tribes. The last mitzva before he passed, Moshe Rabbeinu established 3 of the 6 cities of refuge which have small Sanhedrin courts! Hence the court of Hewn Stone within the Beit HaMikdash seated the Great Sanhedrin Courts – a Higher Court of final appeal and a low Court!
The Book of Kings makes satire, no different from Gulivers’ Travels – have you ever written this work? Gulliver’s Travels by Jonathan Swift, first published in 1726. Both Kings and Gulliver works of satire.
Kings refers to Shlomo as the wisest of all men. LOL. Shlomo worshipped avoda zara at the beginning of his reign as king, not just at the end! Instead of building the “Beit Ha-Mikdash ie establish the Federal Sanhedrin court Shlomo tried the Capital Crime Case of the two prostitutes like as did Par’o before his own vertical court where he appointed and paid the salaries of the judges! A Sanhedrin court – lateral. Lateral courts the government does not pay the salaries of not the judges or the prosecutors! OOOPs you did not know the basics of Talmudic common law.
Holy Spirit has nothing to do with your Nicene creed Trinity theology new gods. The distinction from the first Book of the Torah where the Avot called upon El, or El Shaddai or Elohim in the Heavens above, post Sinai HaShem lives forever after only within the Yatzir Ha’Tov of the Cohen people in the oath sworn lands. G’lut Jews – atheists like David when he fled from Shaul!
Nah, God is God of the entirety of His creation. There is no place in existence where He is not God. There are no people in existence, over whom He is not God. All of Creation, and all born of Adam, He is Lord over all.
If He is God of Adam, then He’s God of all of Adam’s seed. (whether they acknowledge Him or not)
You contradict yourself badly. If He is only God in the lands of Israel, then He was not with them when they were in exile in Egypt, Babylon, and when dispersed after 70 AD. Yet your own Torah shows that He was with them. You celebrate the Passover. Where did that happen? Where did God part the Red Sea? Where is Mount Sinai, where the Ten Commandments were given? None of that happened in Israel …
How does one magically become an atheist, and his beliefs magically change, the second he steps across the a territorial border? Explain that one … hoo boy.
Noise. Your simplistic God is God fails to explain why Goyim reject the revelation of the Torah to this day. Both JeZeus and Allah reign from Heaven. Post Sinai HaShem through his tohor divine middot spirits live only within the Yatzir Ha-Tov hearts of the chosen Cohen people who accept HaShem as our local tribal god.
Prophets the “police” who enforce Sanhedrin rulings. The Sanhedrin courts only have jurisdiction within the borders of Judea. Moshe and Yonah serve as obvious exceptions, comparable to Moshe establishing 3 small Sanhedrin courts on the other side of the Jordan river!
The Babylonian empire conquered and destroyed the Assyrian empire shortly after Yona travel to the Capital City of that dying empire. Prophets sent only to Israel who accept the revelation of the Torah at Sinai alone. Hence the mussar of t’shuva not directed at the king but rather to the House of Israel which the king of Assyria made a forced population transfer from the defunct kingdom of Israel unto Assyrian lands.
Atheists such as myself do not believe in the NT and Koran “new Universal Gods”.
Now you claim He’s your local tribal God, but also claim you’re an atheist. Which would require, according your claims, that you would physically be both inside and outside of the land of Israel at the same time.
If there were anything divine in you, then you wouldn’t be making such irrational, contradictory, nonsensical claims.
Sounds to me like you want to be worshiped yourself as if you were God.
Tell me, if He only exists in your hearts, then who chose you? You say your of the chosen people. Chosen by who?
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Having a discussion with a Xtian religious fanatic who assumes that Xtianity determines and shapes the rules by which Judaism exists.
etb. your final comment – not a refutation of what I introduced. Its a my way or the highway declaration. You & I never in the same domain; Xtianity has no part with Torah. As a Xtian your theology avoda zara spins around NT-theism/Protestant academic epistemology. You slavishly anchor your theology in peshat. But peshat does not exist divorced from drosh; Adam & Eve a paired couple Ooops. The chief flaw of Xtianity – it limits the reality of the Gods to 3-D history. LOL Torah commands mussar not history. Oooops. Bottom line: Xtianity evaluated as textual continuity, not halakhic legitimacy
Your invocation of procedural failure (“flooding,” “no shared method,” “manifesto”) as your exit retreat reminds me of a dog running away with its tail between its legs peeing all over itself. By your “rules” (Xtianity does not impose rules upon Israeli Jews) of “flooding: I failed to: isolate a single narrow thesis, redefined terms unilaterally, expanded scope faster than you could respond, & used mockery where you demanded analytic restraint. Hence “A continually expanding manifesto…” — is procedurally accurate inside your paradigm.
Your core assumptions – false. 1. Shared method is required for truth. 2. Peshat has veto power. 3. History is the foundation of obligation. 4. Theology can be adjudicated without the oaths sworn by the Avot which created the chosen Cohen people from Torah time-oriented commandments. The Oral Torah precisely rejects all 4 false Goyim theological premises. Why? Because Xtianity treats the Torah as a text they can argue about. Wrong. Goyim never once ever accepted the revelation of the Torah at Sinai. Just that simple, no fancy dancing. The sworn oaths of the avot and the revelation of HaShem in this Earth rather than in the Heavens – not a subject open to debate.
Xtianity in general and you in particular openly reject the Sanhedrin logic which begins with: “Who is authorized to speak within this court?” Torah Courts permit only judicial opinions, which disqualifies you from the start. For example your gross ignorance of peshat — when you declare: “You dismiss peshat when it disagrees with you…”, simply bat-shit crazy false. Peshat fits hand in glove with drosh. Rabbi Akiva taught this kabbalah which you know nothing about.
Peshat ≠ final authority; simply not the final authority in Torah hermeneutics. “Lo bashamayim hi” explicitly de-centers textual literalism. So your pie in the sky declaration “If peshat is dismissed, all else collapses”, simply a joke. LOL Xtian textual ontology of Protestant Higher Criticism. Such early 20th Century nonsense of philosophy that studies the nature of being, existence, and reality, has no portion or part in the revelation of the Oral Torah at Horev — especially rejected and abhorred post Shoah – By their Fruits you shall know them. You remain stuck in your dead religion, on par with having sex with a dead body. As a religious exile your stuck waiting for the 2nd coming of your God.
Universal monotheism ≠ Torah faith. Xtianity stands outside the Sinai legal universe. Textual continuity does not equal to the Torah commandment for the chosen Cohen people to eternally remember the oaths sworn by the Avot by which they cut the oath brit time-oriented commandment wherein the generations of their seed forever create the chosen cohen people from nothing. At Sinai/Horev Israel accepted by means of the נעשה\נשמע oaths – We accepted the Written and Oral Torah as one revelation לשמה.
Xtianity Non-Sinaitic readers can adjudicate Torah meaning — Bunk. Xtianity never had any jurisdictional arguments – ever. Not by Paul, nor by JeZeus, and most certainly not by you. Sanhedrin common law courtrooms in no way shape or form compare to a university seminar any more that a person can choose his gender at birth. XX does not change to XY because an “it” desires such.
Torah mitzvot shaped and determined through Sanhedrin common law lateral courtrooms בלבד. The Torah’s system of mitzvot—both d’oraita and d’rabbanan—finds its authoritative determination exclusively through the lateral common law deliberations of the Sanhedrin. Torah common law never exists as statute law as expressed through independent legislators annulling or innovating mitzvot outside courtroom jurisdiction.
The rejection of bat kol in mesechta Bava Metzia 59b (the tanur shel Akhnai) crystallizes this: “Lo ba-shamayim hi” (Devarim 30:12) means post-Sinai, halacha follows majority human reasoning in beit din, not heavenly voices or charismatic claims. Prophets courtroom justice enforcers independently enforce or rebuke. They do not legislate or override courts of Sanhedrin Common law.
Acts 16:16-40 Necromancy = seeking authority, knowledge, or salvation from the dead. If a human who died becomes: prayed to; invoked; obeyed; trusted over Torah law — then functionally, it is דורש אל המתים, regardless of metaphysical claims. The NT’s moshiach narrative, ignores the core: Leading in “war” (crises) to uphold courtroom restitution (e.g., Sanhedrin as nimshal to Beit HaMikdash’s mashal).
The Torah Law mitzva of Moshiach, this mitzva applies equally to all Jews in all generations. The Torah mitzva of Moshiach exists as an expression of a servant, like Moshe and all the NaCH prophets, of Torah common law court police enforcers. The Book of Shmuel does not make king David into a theological belief system ‘new covenant’ God. Mesechta Baba Metzia :נט reject the authority of a בת קול voice from heaven as having any judicial authority on this Earth.
Acts 16:16–18 is not a neutral miracle story. It is a classic confrontation between Torah-prohibited practices and a pagan economic system. Encounter with the Slave Girl (Verses 16-18)/witch. The girl is explicitly described as having a πνεῦμα πύθωνα — a Python spirit, tied in Greek culture to Delphi, Apollo, and divination.
The act of Paul commanding the spirit to depart from the girl in Acts 16 can spark discussions about necromancy, witchcraft, and the broader context of spiritual authority. The accusation against Paul and Silas reflects a significant cultural conflict. They were promoting a different way of life that challenged local practices, including those tied to economic interests. The girl’s ability to tell fortunes, considered a source of income for her owners, was rooted in practices the Jewish Torah condemned.
This maps cleanly onto אוב וידעוני in Torah language (Devarim 18). Paul’s act is not prophetic justice. But rather an extrajudicial charismatic intervention, devoid of Sanhedrin authority, witnesses, or jurisdiction. This prophetic mussar interprets this av tuma story as an unlicensed manipulation of spiritual forces outside of Torah courtroom common law. As such this NT story more counter-witchcraft rather than prophetic mussar which the Torah commands.
The concept of resurrection in Xtianity indeed provokes a variety of interpretations and discussions, especially when viewed in the context of the Hebrew Scriptures (Torah) and traditional Jewish beliefs. The Torah does not explicitly describe resurrection in the way that later Xtian dogmatism does. There are sections of T’NaCH משל and Aggadic/Midrashic examination of the mystic work of the Book of Daniel 12:2 (Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproaches, to everlasting abhorrence”) – often read midrashically or kabbalistically through halachic lenses. However this סוד kabbalah interpreted through the lenses of halacha, defines how פרדס רמז\סוד weave together as warp vs. weft threads of a Talmudic loom which defines the cultures and customs practiced by the chosen Cohen people alone.
2 Kings 2:11 Elijah is described as being taken up to heaven without dying – illustrates a different understanding of life after death compared to the resurrection concept presented in Xtianity. 2 Kings 2:11, Eliyahu does not die. No burial, no resurrection, no glorified corpse. Eliyahu – removed from the human legal domain, not elevated into divine mediation. Eliyahu returns as messenger, not object of worship. He resolves ספקות, restores halachic clarity. He never annuls mitzvot or introduces new covenants. Malachi 3:23-24 and Sanhedrin 98a Elijah restores clarity to mitzvot, not annuls them.
Elijah’s experience does not support the Xtian dogma of resurrection but rather suggests other forms of divine interaction with humanity. Xtian dogma of resurrection seen as establishing a ‘new covenant’ between God in Heaven and humanity. This off the path redefinition life, death, and the divine relationship negates the revelation of the tohor spirits of HaShem’s 13 middot living within the Yatzir Ha’Tov of the chosen Cohen people.
Necromancy traditionally involves summoning the dead for knowledge or power. If one views calling upon JeZeus—who is believed to have risen from the dead—as a form of necromancy, it presents a complex interpretation that challenges conventional understandings. Within Xtian theology, Jesus is not viewed merely as a deceased figure but as the risen Savior who transcends death. This fundamental belief shifts the interaction from necromancy to communion with the living God; a direct violation of the 1st and 2nd Sinai commandments!
The Xtian ‘New Covenant’ belief in JeZeus’ resurrection – central to Xtian Av tuma false messiah avoda zara which introduces the dogma that JeZeus overcame death and now lives in a glorified state in the Heavens with his Father. This abomination negates: D’varim: לא בשמים היא. The Xtian resurrection witchcraft later spawned Muhammad the false prophet’s 72 virgin theological narishkeit. The prophetic mussar which forbade king David to build the Beit HaMikdash likewise corrupted by inept טיפש פשט Am ha’aretz stupidity.
Unlike Rambam (Maimonides), who emphasized spiritual immortality in the world to come and interpreted resurrection more cautiously (in his Iggeret Techiyat ha-Metim defending its literalness but subordinating it to intellectual reward), Ramban stresses a more physical, embodied afterlife. He critiques overly spiritualized views, insisting the verse “admits of no other interpretation” than literal resurrection (echoing Rambam’s own defense in his Treatise on Resurrection, though Ramban expands on the mechanics). The mitzva of Moshiach clarifies halacha based upon the precedent of Eliyahu who does the same. The Ramban grounds the סוד concept of resurrection firmly in Torah tradition; it serves divine justice, rewards the righteous (tzaddikim/maskilim who shine like stars, per v. 3), and upholds the 13 middot through tohor judgment—resurrection simply not anything approaching the NT metaphysical elevation of man into God, bypassing halachic courts or Torah observance.
The Torah mitzva of Moshiach stands upon the Torah precedent of Moshe anointing the House of Aaron as Moshiach – dedicated to drive, lead, guide Israel in a korban like dedication to actively pursue righteous justice among our conflicting peoples within the borders of the oath sworn lands. Just as a koran limited to the confined jurisdiction of the Mishkan so too and how much more so Sanhedrin common law courts, together with their prophetic enforcement police – limited strictly and only to operate within the borders of Judea alone.
The theological narratives surrounding JeZeus and Muhammad illustrate the complexities of Torah judicial justice as faith apart from the menstrual blood tuma beliefs, and avoda zara spirituality which define the cultures customs and practices developed by European, Arab & Muslim cultures. These Roman and Arab religions share no common ground with Israel brought out of Egypt to conquer Canaan to rule that land with judicial common law justice.
2 Samuel 11-12 David’s moral failure to judge Uriah the baal of Bat Sheva with justice. David’s attempt to cover up his implied adultery (the Talmud refutes this charge) by recalling Uria from battle – in the hope that he would have relations with his wife forced David to make a far more radical solution to his problem. The concealment of Uriah’s death as a consequence of war – herein defines the language “blood on his hands” by the prophet Natan. Furthermore, the curse of eternal Civil War imposed upon king David. Unlike Shaul whose dedication of the mitzva of Moshiach utterly profaned Natan commanded the mussar that Civil War would persue all generations of king David consequent to the “blood on his hands.”
The NT false messiah Roman Protocals of the Elders of Zion forgery – totally ignores the key Torah concept of Moshiach as defined to lead the nation in times of “war” (an undefined participle) to rule the land with Judicial courtroom justice which makes fair restitution of damages inflicted by one bnai brit upon another. Hence just as the Sanhedrin Federal Court system defines the נמשל k’vanna of building the Beit Ha-Mikdash משל; absolutely no different from the Mishkan משל to the לא בשמים היא revelation that the tohor 13 Oral Torah middot forever judge the heart of the chosen Cohen people!
The Torah mitzva of Moshiach the Roman fraudulent NT propaganda cannot substitute itself for any Torah commandment because by the terms of the Apostle Paul – Goyim not under the Law. Just as Goyim cannot negate the mitzva of brit melah so too and how much more so Goyim religions of Av tuma avoda zarah cannot determine the Torah mitzva of Moshiach. The mitzva of Moshiach directly bound, like Yitzak at the Akadah, to the leadership of guiding the people in times of War to not loss faith and fail to pursue righteous judicial justice both among our people and against our enemies in times of crisis or war.
A Classic example of how the heart and soul of Torah gets lost in Goyim tits on a boar hog translations.
“There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem…” In Acts 5:16, the Greek phrase perix tō Ierousalēm simply refers to, nearby towns, surrounding villages, local communities in Judea — a geographical description of the region immediately around Jerusalem in the early 1st Century. No manuscript—Greek, Latin, Syriac, Coptic, or otherwise—contains anything resembling “Fort Worth” in Acts 5:16.
The phrase “round about unto Jerusalem” simply means the towns and villages surrounding Jerusalem in the 1st century. Fort Worth founded in 1849, almost 1,800 years after Acts was written. The Book of Acts written before any of the gospels were ever penned.
There is no ancient place named Fort Worth anywhere in Judea, Samaria, or the Roman Empire. The Book of Acts written before any of the 4 gospel Roman Protocols of the Elders of Zion “counterfeits”. That the church fathers organized their NT fraud with the gospel followed by Acts as corrupt as Fort Worth!
The earliest gospel of Mark written in Rome, perhaps prior to the destruction of Herod’s temple abomination. One Roman guard famously quoted as saying, “Its better to be Herod’s dog than a family member!”
If the Book of Acts was written in 62 CE then it predates any gospel of Mark “speculation”. Gossip narratives and speculation do not replace eye witness first hand information. Hence debates upon the NT as “historical” evidence as false as a mad hatter. Historians have no clear evidence one way or the other. Such a debate clearly separates the emphasis of the T’NaCH Jewish literature vs. the Xtian NT literature. Prophets command mussar they to not teach history. The NT fraud requires a physical historical man JeZeus. Otherwise this fraud religion collapses like a house of cards.
Acts ends with Paul alive. No mention of Paul’s death. No mention of the Temple’s destruction. Therefore Acts was written before 70 CE, possibly around 62 CE. But all this 2000+ years later speculation fails to address the main point. T’NaCH commands mussar not history. Rava for example teaches that Job existed as a fictional imaginary man. The point of the Book of Job, to teach the mussar of g’lut and redemption from g’lut. This places the Book of Job on par and similar to the Book of Sh’mot – the 2nd Book of the Written Torah. The attempts by “scholars” thousands of years after the fact to argue that Mark preceded Acts – simply Pie in the Sky speculative nonsense.
The merit behind interpreting the NT as the equivalent of the Russian secret police Protocols of the Elders of Zion slander employed to justify the pogroms of the late 19th Century …
Just as similar speculation that Paul served as an Agent Provacateur of Rabban Gamliel of the Great Sanhedrin. Jews in Judea and Alexandria Egypt locked in brutal and bitter war. Alexandria with its huge library burnt to the ground prior to the destruction of Herod’s Temple abomination.
Why the reference ‘Temple abomination’? Starting with the avoda zara of king Shlomo who first built the Temple abomination of avoda zara. The prophet Natan forbade king David to copy how Goyim civilizations worshipped their Gods. Just as Rehovoam ignored the advice of Shlomo’s advisors, so too Shlomo ignored the council of the prophet Natan. The Beit HaMikdash not a building of wood and stone idolatry but rather the establishment of the Federal Sanhedrin common law legal court system!
T’NaCH “wisdom” literature serves to “understand” Av Torah time-oriented commandments which require prophetic mussar as their k’vanna. The historical Books of Kings, a prophetic work, does not teach theology (the Xtian interpretation) but rather it give a big picture contexts to the Books of the Prophets! This qualifies as כלל פרט according to the middot of rabbi Yishmael. Mussar does not mean “ethical instruction”. The latter an entirely false parameter of prophesy. Mussar defines the k’vanna of the 13 tohor middot Oral Torah revealed to Moshe 40 days after the sin of the Golden Calf wherein the ערב רב assimilated and intermarried Jews translated the revelation of the Spirit Name who fills the Yatzir Ha’Tov heart – the נמשל of the Mishkan משל.
The church fathers read the Book of Sh’mot as history rather than as prophetic mussar. The Torah speaks in the language of Man, it instructs mussar through משל\נמשל model/paradigm. The Creation story of the Universe instructs through this משל of 6 days time, to teach the mussar נמשל of time-oriented commandments wherein “time” understood as “wisdom” – משל\נמשל.
Hence the church Old Testament New Testament propaganda falsely conceals the open fact that the literature of the T’NaCH radically different from the revisionist history propaganda of the letters of Paul and the Roman Protocols of the Elders of Zion slander forgery. Both Paul introduced in Acts served as an Agent Provacateur to undermine the false messiah Roman propaganda of Mark’s JeZeus. Paul by declaring brit melah as a void Torah commandment undermined the influence of the Roman false messiah gospel narrative prior to the outbreak of the great Jewish revolt in 66 CE. Paul traveled to Rome to inject a form of monotheism into Roman polytheistic society. With the purpose to undermind the foundations of Roman civilization; to crack the “Ethical Containment Force” of Roman soceity.
Paul’s propaganda aimed to promote Civil War in Rome based upon Yehuda Maccabee’s propaganda which publicly declared Judea’s loyalty to the “real” king of the Syrian Greek empire! This Pauline propaganda based upon the generic כלל: “If it aint broke don’t fix it.” Obviously this modern rendition seeks to emphasize that Torah as a common law precedent based legal system shaped how ancient Jewish civilizations revolted against the Syrian Greek and Roman empires.
The scholarship of ancient texts has nothing to do with a Greek Athens democratic model. The revelation of the Oral Torah פרדס inductive logic sh’itta starkly contrasts with ancient Greek philosoplers, specifically Plato and Aristotle’s deductive logic of static reasoning. פרדס logic a fluid logic similar to Calculus varables. Whereas Greek logic deductive & static, similar to Euclid’s plane geometry.
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If the T’NaCH, most essentially mussar and not history, what—if anything—do you think gets “lost in the translation”, similar to Fort Worth – when Conservative, Reform Judaism start defending T’NaCH on historical or archaeological grounds, instead of on its power as prophetic mussar?
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This question delves straight into the Rambam Civil War? During the Dark Ages, the roads built by the Roman empire had totally collapsed. People stopped traveling distances due to the risks of being attacked and murdered. Interstate commerce totally collapsed. Jewish communities scattered across the face of Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, how could they maintain some type of standardized culture and customs which would prevent Jews from assimilating to the dominant cultures and customs of the peoples wherein they lived as a despised refugee minority populaiton which had no rights???
Scholars starting with the B’HaG and Rif organized Talmudic common law into something new and all together different than what the Framers of both the T’NaCH and Talmud originally envisioned. Originally the T’NaCH organized mussar middot into a Common law, precedent based, middot system which compared one NaCH sugya to similar NaCH sugyot which contained the identical set of Oral Torah middot. By aligning two or more sugyot which had the same set of Oral Torah middot (‘ה’ ה’ אל רחום וחנון וכו), this comparison of sugyot called דרוש; this alignment of similar (precedent based middot) served as something like the rear and front sights of a rifle which permitted the “sniper” to kill a target down range.
This “kill” משל has the “k’vanna” נמשל. Hence the later Talmud based upon the משל of a loom which has opposing warp vs. weft threads. The k’vanna of the Framers of the Talmud, to create a literature of Great Sanhedrin judical court room rulings (the Mishna) together with its prosecution and defense attorney precedent debates (the Gemara). Therefore the Framers of the Talmud wrote this ancient text to serve as the judicial model for the future time when Jews would slaughter the Roman occupiers of Judea and re-establish Jewish National Independence like as occurred in 1948 and again in 1967 CE.
Do Jews feel anger for Xtian and Muslim war crimes perpetrated against low hanging Jewish refugee easy victims. Jews no different than any other Human being abused by tyrrants. But the bottom line for the Framers of both the T’NaCH and Talmudic literature, not to promote Jewish anger and hatred against our oppressor cruel Par’o like enemies; any more than the Book of Sh’mot promotes anger and hatred against the Egyptians! In point of fact the Torah directly commands a negative commandment which forbids Israel to hate either specifically Egyptians and Esau in general. Esau the metaphor for Xtian Europeans.
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What gets lost when Jews defend Tanakh as history instead of prophetic mussar?
The substance of allTanakh literature: to create an oath brit alliance which obligates all generations of Israel to dedicate tohor middot in how we interact and exchange with our people; middot-driven, common-law consciousness that “understands” time as wisdom – most specifically as time-oriented Av commandments which require prophetic mussar\interpretations of the k’vanna of tohor Oral Torah middot. And g’lut-exile interpreted through משל/נמשל – blessing/curse Torah oath brit. And not through the lens of Greek proof or Xtian biography revisionist history or substitute theology NT or Koran Gods.
The day and night difference which for ever separates the Hebrew T’NaCH from either the Xtian NT or Arab Koran – translating poetry into prose — keeps the words, buth the rhythm, the soul, the imperative to “understand” (like from like distinctions) through mussar prophetic tohor middot – lost in the sophomoric translations. Gone, like Fort Worth in Acts.
God “left” Saul while he was still king. Right?
You twist your own scripture. God didn’t cease to exist the second David fled to Gentile lands. The meaning of what he said is clearly that he felt like, or lamented that, God had let him down, and left him to fend for himself. Did he truly quit believing God exists? Nope. Did God magically stop existing? Nope. I’d like to hear your explanation as to how one can magically become an atheist the second they step across a line in the dirt. Much less how a infinitely powerful God, creator of the universe, is somehow bound by that same line in the dirt, imprisoned therein. There is nothing in the Torah to substantiate your claims. Nothing at all.
The vision of the Torah compares to dreams which require interpretation. Failure to interpret Torah visions – compares to unopened letters.
Torah a legal judicial system of common law NOT a theological belief system. Just that simple. The oath brit cut first with Avraham, then Yitzak and lastly with Yaacov – HaShem swore an oath to each of the “Avot of the chosen Cohen people” to give their O’lam Ha-Bah Cohen children the land of Israel. Moshe directly commandment not to invade the land of Esau because those lands dedicated as an inheritance to Esau not Israel.
How many times does it say in the Torah, “the LORD told Moses”, “the LORD said to Moses”, “the LORD spoke to Moses” ??? Here’s one example among hundreds …
“In the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, Moses spoke to the people of Israel according to all that the LORD had given him in commandment to them” (Deut. 1:3). Moses was also a prophet. God spoke directly to him. And he wasn’t some sort of Sanhedrin “police”. You yourself just stated that he was an exception. Yet now you say that God’s law didn’t come from God, but rather was a matter of man-made common law.
What you’re trying to tell me here is that scripture cannot be interpreted to mean what it very plainly and clearly says.
So, to sum it all up here, you claim that you yourself are divine, and that it means what you say it means, regardless of what the plain text clearly says …
In other words, you claim to be God, to have taken His place. And you want everybody else to bow down to you. That’s essentially the summary of all the mess you’ve posted here. You might as well have just posted one sentence claiming to be God, and saved yourself all that typing.
I’ve never known any Jewish person (and I’ve known many) who had the beliefs that you have. You are a strange one. But as I said, the inconsistency, conflicting statements, and so on, are evidence in and of themselves that there is nothing divine about you whatsoever. You do an excellent job of refuting yourself.
The Divine Names in the Book of בראשית – dwell in the heavens like your pie in the sky JeZeus. This fact, what distinguishes the שם השם revelation in the 1st Sinai commandment לא בשמים היא. The Mishkan serves to define and differentiate the Sinai HaShem revelation from the Avot who did not know the Name but rather called upon El or Elohim, or El Shaddai in the Heavens.
Having a discussion with a Xtian religious fanatic who assumes that Xtianity determines and shapes the rules by which Judaism exists.
etb. your final comment – not a refutation of what I introduced. Its a my way or the highway declaration. You & I never in the same domain; Xtianity has no part with Torah. As a Xtian your theology avoda zara spins around NT-theism/Protestant academic epistemology. You slavishly anchor your theology in peshat. But peshat does not exist divorced from drosh; Adam & Eve a paired couple Ooops. The chief flaw of Xtianity – it limits the reality of the Gods to 3-D history. LOL Torah commands mussar not history. Oooops. Bottom line: Xtianity evaluated as textual continuity, not halakhic legitimacy
Your invocation of procedural failure (“flooding,” “no shared method,” “manifesto”) as your exit retreat reminds me of a dog running away with its tail between its legs peeing all over itself. By your “rules” (Xtianity does not impose rules upon Israeli Jews) of “flooding: I failed to: isolate a single narrow thesis, redefined terms unilaterally, expanded scope faster than you could respond, & used mockery where you demanded analytic restraint. Hence “A continually expanding manifesto…” — is procedurally accurate inside your paradigm.
Your core assumptions – false. 1. Shared method is required for truth. 2. Peshat has veto power. 3. History is the foundation of obligation. 4. Theology can be adjudicated without the oaths sworn by the Avot which created the chosen Cohen people from Torah time-oriented commandments. The Oral Torah precisely rejects all 4 false Goyim theological premises. Why? Because Xtianity treats the Torah as a text they can argue about. Wrong. Goyim never once ever accepted the revelation of the Torah at Sinai. Just that simple, no fancy dancing. The sworn oaths of the avot and the revelation of HaShem in this Earth rather than in the Heavens – not a subject open to debate.
Xtianity in general and you in particular openly reject the Sanhedrin logic which begins with: “Who is authorized to speak within this court?” Torah Courts permit only judicial opinions, which disqualifies you from the start. For example your gross ignorance of peshat — when you declare: “You dismiss peshat when it disagrees with you…”, simply bat-shit crazy false. Peshat fits hand in glove with drosh. Rabbi Akiva taught this kabbalah which you know nothing about.
Peshat ≠ final authority; simply not the final authority in Torah hermeneutics. “Lo bashamayim hi” explicitly de-centers textual literalism. So your pie in the sky declaration “If peshat is dismissed, all else collapses”, simply a joke. LOL Xtian textual ontology of Protestant Higher Criticism. Such early 20th Century nonsense of philosophy that studies the nature of being, existence, and reality, has no portion or part in the revelation of the Oral Torah at Horev — especially rejected and abhorred post Shoah – By their Fruits you shall know them. You remain stuck in your dead religion, on par with having sex with a dead body. As a religious exile your stuck waiting for the 2nd coming of your God.
Universal monotheism ≠ Torah faith. Xtianity stands outside the Sinai legal universe. Textual continuity does not equal to the Torah commandment for the chosen Cohen people to eternally remember the oaths sworn by the Avot by which they cut the oath brit time-oriented commandment wherein the generations of their seed forever create the chosen cohen people from nothing. At Sinai/Horev Israel accepted by means of the נעשה\נשמע oaths – We accepted the Written and Oral Torah as one revelation לשמה.
Xtianity Non-Sinaitic readers can adjudicate Torah meaning — Bunk. Xtianity never had any jurisdictional arguments – ever. Not by Paul, nor by JeZeus, and most certainly not by you. Sanhedrin common law courtrooms in no way shape or form compare to a university seminar any more that a person can choose his gender at birth. XX does not change to XY because an “it” desires such.
Deuteronomy 28 proves you wrong Khazarian imposter.
Deuteronomy 28 outlines blessings and curses that stem from the covenant between God and Israel, specifying the consequences of obeying or disobeying the commandments. However, Red Patriot’s vague declaration fails to logically connect the dots in his refutation of both Christianity and Islam. His labeling of others as “Khazarian imposters” echoes the blood libel and slanders found in works like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Moreover, his assertion that he “proves you wrong” reflects a bloated ego, positioning himself as Judge, Jury, and Prosecution, all wrapped up in the role of Inquisition Master.
Having a discussion with a Xtian religious fanatic who assumes that Xtianity determines and shapes the rules by which Judaism exists.
etb. your final comment – not a refutation of what I introduced. Its a my way or the highway declaration. You & I never in the same domain; Xtianity has no part with Torah. As a Xtian your theology avoda zara spins around NT-theism/Protestant academic epistemology. You slavishly anchor your theology in peshat. But peshat does not exist divorced from drosh; Adam & Eve a paired couple Ooops. The chief flaw of Xtianity – it limits the reality of the Gods to 3-D history. LOL Torah commands mussar not history. Oooops. Bottom line: Xtianity evaluated as textual continuity, not halakhic legitimacy
Your invocation of procedural failure (“flooding,” “no shared method,” “manifesto”) as your exit retreat reminds me of a dog running away with its tail between its legs peeing all over itself. By your “rules” (Xtianity does not impose rules upon Israeli Jews) of “flooding: I failed to: isolate a single narrow thesis, redefined terms unilaterally, expanded scope faster than you could respond, & used mockery where you demanded analytic restraint. Hence “A continually expanding manifesto…” — is procedurally accurate inside your paradigm.
Your core assumptions – false. 1. Shared method is required for truth. 2. Peshat has veto power. 3. History is the foundation of obligation. 4. Theology can be adjudicated without the oaths sworn by the Avot which created the chosen Cohen people from Torah time-oriented commandments. The Oral Torah precisely rejects all 4 false Goyim theological premises. Why? Because Xtianity treats the Torah as a text they can argue about. Wrong. Goyim never once ever accepted the revelation of the Torah at Sinai. Just that simple, no fancy dancing. The sworn oaths of the avot and the revelation of HaShem in this Earth rather than in the Heavens – not a subject open to debate.
Xtianity in general and you in particular openly reject the Sanhedrin logic which begins with: “Who is authorized to speak within this court?” Torah Courts permit only judicial opinions, which disqualifies you from the start. For example your gross ignorance of peshat — when you declare: “You dismiss peshat when it disagrees with you…”, simply bat-shit crazy false. Peshat fits hand in glove with drosh. Rabbi Akiva taught this kabbalah which you know nothing about.
Peshat ≠ final authority; simply not the final authority in Torah hermeneutics. “Lo bashamayim hi” explicitly de-centers textual literalism. So your pie in the sky declaration “If peshat is dismissed, all else collapses”, simply a joke. LOL Xtian textual ontology of Protestant Higher Criticism. Such early 20th Century nonsense of philosophy that studies the nature of being, existence, and reality, has no portion or part in the revelation of the Oral Torah at Horev — especially rejected and abhorred post Shoah – By their Fruits you shall know them. You remain stuck in your dead religion, on par with having sex with a dead body. As a religious exile your stuck waiting for the 2nd coming of your God.
Universal monotheism ≠ Torah faith. Xtianity stands outside the Sinai legal universe. Textual continuity does not equal to the Torah commandment for the chosen Cohen people to eternally remember the oaths sworn by the Avot by which they cut the oath brit time-oriented commandment wherein the generations of their seed forever create the chosen cohen people from nothing. At Sinai/Horev Israel accepted by means of the נעשה\נשמע oaths – We accepted the Written and Oral Torah as one revelation לשמה.
Xtianity Non-Sinaitic readers can adjudicate Torah meaning — Bunk. Xtianity never had any jurisdictional arguments – ever. Not by Paul, nor by JeZeus, and most certainly not by you. Sanhedrin common law courtrooms in no way shape or form compare to a university seminar any more that a person can choose his gender at birth. XX does not change to XY because an “it” desires such.
Torah mitzvot shaped and determined through Sanhedrin common law lateral courtrooms בלבד. The Torah’s system of mitzvot—both d’oraita and d’rabbanan—finds its authoritative determination exclusively through the lateral common law deliberations of the Sanhedrin. Torah common law never exists as statute law as expressed through independent legislators annulling or innovating mitzvot outside courtroom jurisdiction.
The rejection of bat kol in mesechta Bava Metzia 59b (the tanur shel Akhnai) crystallizes this: “Lo ba-shamayim hi” (Devarim 30:12) means post-Sinai, halacha follows majority human reasoning in beit din, not heavenly voices or charismatic claims. Prophets courtroom justice enforcers independently enforce or rebuke. They do not legislate or override courts of Sanhedrin Common law.
Acts 16:16-40 Necromancy = seeking authority, knowledge, or salvation from the dead. If a human who died becomes: prayed to; invoked; obeyed; trusted over Torah law — then functionally, it is דורש אל המתים, regardless of metaphysical claims. The NT’s moshiach narrative, ignores the core: Leading in “war” (crises) to uphold courtroom restitution (e.g., Sanhedrin as nimshal to Beit HaMikdash’s mashal).
The Torah Law mitzva of Moshiach, this mitzva applies equally to all Jews in all generations. The Torah mitzva of Moshiach exists as an expression of a servant, like Moshe and all the NaCH prophets, of Torah common law court police enforcers. The Book of Shmuel does not make king David into a theological belief system ‘new covenant’ God. Mesechta Baba Metzia :נט reject the authority of a בת קול voice from heaven as having any judicial authority on this Earth.
Acts 16:16–18 is not a neutral miracle story. It is a classic confrontation between Torah-prohibited practices and a pagan economic system. Encounter with the Slave Girl (Verses 16-18)/witch. The girl is explicitly described as having a πνεῦμα πύθωνα — a Python spirit, tied in Greek culture to Delphi, Apollo, and divination.
The act of Paul commanding the spirit to depart from the girl in Acts 16 can spark discussions about necromancy, witchcraft, and the broader context of spiritual authority. The accusation against Paul and Silas reflects a significant cultural conflict. They were promoting a different way of life that challenged local practices, including those tied to economic interests. The girl’s ability to tell fortunes, considered a source of income for her owners, was rooted in practices the Jewish Torah condemned.
This maps cleanly onto אוב וידעוני in Torah language (Devarim 18). Paul’s act is not prophetic justice. But rather an extrajudicial charismatic intervention, devoid of Sanhedrin authority, witnesses, or jurisdiction. This prophetic mussar interprets this av tuma story as an unlicensed manipulation of spiritual forces outside of Torah courtroom common law. As such this NT story more counter-witchcraft rather than prophetic mussar which the Torah commands.
The concept of resurrection in Xtianity indeed provokes a variety of interpretations and discussions, especially when viewed in the context of the Hebrew Scriptures (Torah) and traditional Jewish beliefs. The Torah does not explicitly describe resurrection in the way that later Xtian dogmatism does. There are sections of T’NaCH משל and Aggadic/Midrashic examination of the mystic work of the Book of Daniel 12:2 (Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproaches, to everlasting abhorrence”) – often read midrashically or kabbalistically through halachic lenses. However this סוד kabbalah interpreted through the lenses of halacha, defines how פרדס רמז\סוד weave together as warp vs. weft threads of a Talmudic loom which defines the cultures and customs practiced by the chosen Cohen people alone.
2 Kings 2:11 Elijah is described as being taken up to heaven without dying – illustrates a different understanding of life after death compared to the resurrection concept presented in Xtianity. 2 Kings 2:11, Eliyahu does not die. No burial, no resurrection, no glorified corpse. Eliyahu – removed from the human legal domain, not elevated into divine mediation. Eliyahu returns as messenger, not object of worship. He resolves ספקות, restores halachic clarity. He never annuls mitzvot or introduces new covenants. Malachi 3:23-24 and Sanhedrin 98a Elijah restores clarity to mitzvot, not annuls them.
Elijah’s experience does not support the Xtian dogma of resurrection but rather suggests other forms of divine interaction with humanity. Xtian dogma of resurrection seen as establishing a ‘new covenant’ between God in Heaven and humanity. This off the path redefinition life, death, and the divine relationship negates the revelation of the tohor spirits of HaShem’s 13 middot living within the Yatzir Ha’Tov of the chosen Cohen people.
Necromancy traditionally involves summoning the dead for knowledge or power. If one views calling upon JeZeus—who is believed to have risen from the dead—as a form of necromancy, it presents a complex interpretation that challenges conventional understandings. Within Xtian theology, Jesus is not viewed merely as a deceased figure but as the risen Savior who transcends death. This fundamental belief shifts the interaction from necromancy to communion with the living God; a direct violation of the 1st and 2nd Sinai commandments!
The Xtian ‘New Covenant’ belief in JeZeus’ resurrection – central to Xtian Av tuma false messiah avoda zara which introduces the dogma that JeZeus overcame death and now lives in a glorified state in the Heavens with his Father. This abomination negates: D’varim: לא בשמים היא. The Xtian resurrection witchcraft later spawned Muhammad the false prophet’s 72 virgin theological narishkeit. The prophetic mussar which forbade king David to build the Beit HaMikdash likewise corrupted by inept טיפש פשט Am ha’aretz stupidity.
Unlike Rambam (Maimonides), who emphasized spiritual immortality in the world to come and interpreted resurrection more cautiously (in his Iggeret Techiyat ha-Metim defending its literalness but subordinating it to intellectual reward), Ramban stresses a more physical, embodied afterlife. He critiques overly spiritualized views, insisting the verse “admits of no other interpretation” than literal resurrection (echoing Rambam’s own defense in his Treatise on Resurrection, though Ramban expands on the mechanics). The mitzva of Moshiach clarifies halacha based upon the precedent of Eliyahu who does the same. The Ramban grounds the סוד concept of resurrection firmly in Torah tradition; it serves divine justice, rewards the righteous (tzaddikim/maskilim who shine like stars, per v. 3), and upholds the 13 middot through tohor judgment—resurrection simply not anything approaching the NT metaphysical elevation of man into God, bypassing halachic courts or Torah observance.
The Torah mitzva of Moshiach stands upon the Torah precedent of Moshe anointing the House of Aaron as Moshiach – dedicated to drive, lead, guide Israel in a korban like dedication to actively pursue righteous justice among our conflicting peoples within the borders of the oath sworn lands. Just as a koran limited to the confined jurisdiction of the Mishkan so too and how much more so Sanhedrin common law courts, together with their prophetic enforcement police – limited strictly and only to operate within the borders of Judea alone.
The theological narratives surrounding JeZeus and Muhammad illustrate the complexities of Torah judicial justice as faith apart from the menstrual blood tuma beliefs, and avoda zara spirituality which define the cultures customs and practices developed by European, Arab & Muslim cultures. These Roman and Arab religions share no common ground with Israel brought out of Egypt to conquer Canaan to rule that land with judicial common law justice.
2 Samuel 11-12 David’s moral failure to judge Uriah the baal of Bat Sheva with justice. David’s attempt to cover up his implied adultery (the Talmud refutes this charge) by recalling Uria from battle – in the hope that he would have relations with his wife forced David to make a far more radical solution to his problem. The concealment of Uriah’s death as a consequence of war – herein defines the language “blood on his hands” by the prophet Natan. Furthermore, the curse of eternal Civil War imposed upon king David. Unlike Shaul whose dedication of the mitzva of Moshiach utterly profaned Natan commanded the mussar that Civil War would persue all generations of king David consequent to the “blood on his hands.”
The NT false messiah Roman Protocals of the Elders of Zion forgery – totally ignores the key Torah concept of Moshiach as defined to lead the nation in times of “war” (an undefined participle) to rule the land with Judicial courtroom justice which makes fair restitution of damages inflicted by one bnai brit upon another. Hence just as the Sanhedrin Federal Court system defines the נמשל k’vanna of building the Beit Ha-Mikdash משל; absolutely no different from the Mishkan משל to the לא בשמים היא revelation that the tohor 13 Oral Torah middot forever judge the heart of the chosen Cohen people!
The Torah mitzva of Moshiach the Roman fraudulent NT propaganda cannot substitute itself for any Torah commandment because by the terms of the Apostle Paul – Goyim not under the Law. Just as Goyim cannot negate the mitzva of brit melah so too and how much more so Goyim religions of Av tuma avoda zarah cannot determine the Torah mitzva of Moshiach. The mitzva of Moshiach directly bound, like Yitzak at the Akadah, to the leadership of guiding the people in times of War to not loss faith and fail to pursue righteous judicial justice both among our people and against our enemies in times of crisis or war.
A Classic example of how the heart and soul of Torah gets lost in Goyim tits on a boar hog translations.
“There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem…” In Acts 5:16, the Greek phrase perix tō Ierousalēm simply refers to, nearby towns, surrounding villages, local communities in Judea — a geographical description of the region immediately around Jerusalem in the early 1st Century. No manuscript—Greek, Latin, Syriac, Coptic, or otherwise—contains anything resembling “Fort Worth” in Acts 5:16.
The phrase “round about unto Jerusalem” simply means the towns and villages surrounding Jerusalem in the 1st century. Fort Worth founded in 1849, almost 1,800 years after Acts was written. The Book of Acts written before any of the gospels were ever penned.
There is no ancient place named Fort Worth anywhere in Judea, Samaria, or the Roman Empire. The Book of Acts written before any of the 4 gospel Roman Protocols of the Elders of Zion “counterfeits”. That the church fathers organized their NT fraud with the gospel followed by Acts as corrupt as Fort Worth!
The earliest gospel of Mark written in Rome, perhaps prior to the destruction of Herod’s temple abomination. One Roman guard famously quoted as saying, “Its better to be Herod’s dog than a family member!”
If the Book of Acts was written in 62 CE then it predates any gospel of Mark “speculation”. Gossip narratives and speculation do not replace eye witness first hand information. Hence debates upon the NT as “historical” evidence as false as a mad hatter. Historians have no clear evidence one way or the other. Such a debate clearly separates the emphasis of the T’NaCH Jewish literature vs. the Xtian NT literature. Prophets command mussar they to not teach history. The NT fraud requires a physical historical man JeZeus. Otherwise this fraud religion collapses like a house of cards.
Acts ends with Paul alive. No mention of Paul’s death. No mention of the Temple’s destruction. Therefore Acts was written before 70 CE, possibly around 62 CE. But all this 2000+ years later speculation fails to address the main point. T’NaCH commands mussar not history. Rava for example teaches that Job existed as a fictional imaginary man. The point of the Book of Job, to teach the mussar of g’lut and redemption from g’lut. This places the Book of Job on par and similar to the Book of Sh’mot – the 2nd Book of the Written Torah. The attempts by “scholars” thousands of years after the fact to argue that Mark preceded Acts – simply Pie in the Sky speculative nonsense.
The merit behind interpreting the NT as the equivalent of the Russian secret police Protocols of the Elders of Zion slander employed to justify the pogroms of the late 19th Century …
Just as similar speculation that Paul served as an Agent Provacateur of Rabban Gamliel of the Great Sanhedrin. Jews in Judea and Alexandria Egypt locked in brutal and bitter war. Alexandria with its huge library burnt to the ground prior to the destruction of Herod’s Temple abomination.
Why the reference ‘Temple abomination’? Starting with the avoda zara of king Shlomo who first built the Temple abomination of avoda zara. The prophet Natan forbade king David to copy how Goyim civilizations worshipped their Gods. Just as Rehovoam ignored the advice of Shlomo’s advisors, so too Shlomo ignored the council of the prophet Natan. The Beit HaMikdash not a building of wood and stone idolatry but rather the establishment of the Federal Sanhedrin common law legal court system!
T’NaCH “wisdom” literature serves to “understand” Av Torah time-oriented commandments which require prophetic mussar as their k’vanna. The historical Books of Kings, a prophetic work, does not teach theology (the Xtian interpretation) but rather it give a big picture contexts to the Books of the Prophets! This qualifies as כלל פרט according to the middot of rabbi Yishmael. Mussar does not mean “ethical instruction”. The latter an entirely false parameter of prophesy. Mussar defines the k’vanna of the 13 tohor middot Oral Torah revealed to Moshe 40 days after the sin of the Golden Calf wherein the ערב רב assimilated and intermarried Jews translated the revelation of the Spirit Name who fills the Yatzir Ha’Tov heart – the נמשל of the Mishkan משל.
The church fathers read the Book of Sh’mot as history rather than as prophetic mussar. The Torah speaks in the language of Man, it instructs mussar through משל\נמשל model/paradigm. The Creation story of the Universe instructs through this משל of 6 days time, to teach the mussar נמשל of time-oriented commandments wherein “time” understood as “wisdom” – משל\נמשל.
Hence the church Old Testament New Testament propaganda falsely conceals the open fact that the literature of the T’NaCH radically different from the revisionist history propaganda of the letters of Paul and the Roman Protocols of the Elders of Zion slander forgery. Both Paul introduced in Acts served as an Agent Provacateur to undermine the false messiah Roman propaganda of Mark’s JeZeus. Paul by declaring brit melah as a void Torah commandment undermined the influence of the Roman false messiah gospel narrative prior to the outbreak of the great Jewish revolt in 66 CE. Paul traveled to Rome to inject a form of monotheism into Roman polytheistic society. With the purpose to undermind the foundations of Roman civilization; to crack the “Ethical Containment Force” of Roman soceity.
Paul’s propaganda aimed to promote Civil War in Rome based upon Yehuda Maccabee’s propaganda which publicly declared Judea’s loyalty to the “real” king of the Syrian Greek empire! This Pauline propaganda based upon the generic כלל: “If it aint broke don’t fix it.” Obviously this modern rendition seeks to emphasize that Torah as a common law precedent based legal system shaped how ancient Jewish civilizations revolted against the Syrian Greek and Roman empires.
The scholarship of ancient texts has nothing to do with a Greek Athens democratic model. The revelation of the Oral Torah פרדס inductive logic sh’itta starkly contrasts with ancient Greek philosoplers, specifically Plato and Aristotle’s deductive logic of static reasoning. פרדס logic a fluid logic similar to Calculus varables. Whereas Greek logic deductive & static, similar to Euclid’s plane geometry.
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If the T’NaCH, most essentially mussar and not history, what—if anything—do you think gets “lost in the translation”, similar to Fort Worth – when Conservative, Reform Judaism start defending T’NaCH on historical or archaeological grounds, instead of on its power as prophetic mussar?
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This question delves straight into the Rambam Civil War? During the Dark Ages, the roads built by the Roman empire had totally collapsed. People stopped traveling distances due to the risks of being attacked and murdered. Interstate commerce totally collapsed. Jewish communities scattered across the face of Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, how could they maintain some type of standardized culture and customs which would prevent Jews from assimilating to the dominant cultures and customs of the peoples wherein they lived as a despised refugee minority populaiton which had no rights???
Scholars starting with the B’HaG and Rif organized Talmudic common law into something new and all together different than what the Framers of both the T’NaCH and Talmud originally envisioned. Originally the T’NaCH organized mussar middot into a Common law, precedent based, middot system which compared one NaCH sugya to similar NaCH sugyot which contained the identical set of Oral Torah middot. By aligning two or more sugyot which had the same set of Oral Torah middot (‘ה’ ה’ אל רחום וחנון וכו), this comparison of sugyot called דרוש; this alignment of similar (precedent based middot) served as something like the rear and front sights of a rifle which permitted the “sniper” to kill a target down range.
This “kill” משל has the “k’vanna” נמשל. Hence the later Talmud based upon the משל of a loom which has opposing warp vs. weft threads. The k’vanna of the Framers of the Talmud, to create a literature of Great Sanhedrin judical court room rulings (the Mishna) together with its prosecution and defense attorney precedent debates (the Gemara). Therefore the Framers of the Talmud wrote this ancient text to serve as the judicial model for the future time when Jews would slaughter the Roman occupiers of Judea and re-establish Jewish National Independence like as occurred in 1948 and again in 1967 CE.
Do Jews feel anger for Xtian and Muslim war crimes perpetrated against low hanging Jewish refugee easy victims. Jews no different than any other Human being abused by tyrrants. But the bottom line for the Framers of both the T’NaCH and Talmudic literature, not to promote Jewish anger and hatred against our oppressor cruel Par’o like enemies; any more than the Book of Sh’mot promotes anger and hatred against the Egyptians! In point of fact the Torah directly commands a negative commandment which forbids Israel to hate either specifically Egyptians and Esau in general. Esau the metaphor for Xtian Europeans.
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What gets lost when Jews defend Tanakh as history instead of prophetic mussar?
The substance of allTanakh literature: to create an oath brit alliance which obligates all generations of Israel to dedicate tohor middot in how we interact and exchange with our people; middot-driven, common-law consciousness that “understands” time as wisdom – most specifically as time-oriented Av commandments which require prophetic mussar\interpretations of the k’vanna of tohor Oral Torah middot. And g’lut-exile interpreted through משל/נמשל – blessing/curse Torah oath brit. And not through the lens of Greek proof or Xtian biography revisionist history or substitute theology NT or Koran Gods.
The day and night difference which for ever separates the Hebrew T’NaCH from either the Xtian NT or Arab Koran – translating poetry into prose — keeps the words, buth the rhythm, the soul, the imperative to “understand” (like from like distinctions) through mussar prophetic tohor middot – lost in the sophomoric translations. Gone, like Fort Worth in Acts.
I’d also ask you a very simple question. Is it possible for perfection to change? If God, being perfect, does not change, then why His standards ever change? They’re not only “static”, they’re concrete, immovable, and will never change. There is no “dynamic logic variable” with Almighty God. There are no variables at all.
“God is not a man, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?” – Numbers 23:19
Did He not exist prior to Abraham? Is He not also the God of Adam? Is He not also the God of Noah? And Noah’s sons? And their sons?
He is, and always has been, the God of both Jew and Gentile. (Romans 3:29)
You forgot their laying on the graves of dead Christians and soaking in their blessings.
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