We don’t have any further comment, only that we can see that those are words being spoken by a human being, but they don’t mean anything.
If you have any idea what he’s saying, and your “charismatic speak” is more developed than ours, leave a comment below and we’ll send the man or woman with the most comprehensible response $10, payable on Wednesday the 21st.
Pope Francis has brought the wrath of hard-right Roman Catholics on his head after cracking down on the celebration of the Old Latin Mass, reversing one of Pope Benedict’s signature decisions and resulting in traditionalist Catholics decrying it as an attack on the liturgy and on the church itself.
Decreeing that Pope Benedict XVI’s 2007 Apostolic letter Summorum Pontificum was abrogated and rendered null and void, Francis has effectively curb-stomped the former pope’s major degree by forbidding any priest from saying the Latin Mass unless they get a special dispensation from their bishop beforehand, effective immediately.
This complete repudiation of another pope’s teaching so soon after being issued hasn’t been seen or heard of in hundreds of years, and just goes to show you never really can tell what a pope is saying is true or not, as another pontiff down the line might just deem it heresy or out of order.
In a move that has left Roman Catholic apologists sputtering and pulling out their hair, Francis explains that he’s doing this for the sake of unity, an action that was the result of reviewing a 2020 survey from the bishops “that reveal a situation that preoccupies and saddens me, and persuades me of the need to intervene.”
In short, he found that some of the priests were using the Summorum Pontificum as a justification to freely have LatinsServices, given that it grants permission to do so. Benedict’s apostolic letter had relaxed the rules for priests and gave them the right to say mass using the 1962 Roman Missal, which is Pre-Vatican II.
The vast majority of clergy who would even want to have mass in Latin is the traditionalist faction who believed that Vatican II was a mistake and resulted in false doctrines creeping into the church. As a result, they have formed groups within the diocese based on this shared desire for the Latin mass and its associated theological implications.
By cutting out the Latin mass and canceling out Benedict’s message, Francis hopes to disrupt these groups and squash the Sedevacantist resurgency.
Of all the things to be mad at Francis about, this strikes us as being the least of his many evils. Given that he occupies the seat of the antichrist, we would list his willingness to give pro-abortion Joe Biden communion, endorsing civil unions for gay couples, Hating on anti-maskers and those urging caution at taking the COVID vaccine, and releasing his most outrageously blasphemous statement to be far more offensive.
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Ravi Zacharias International Ministries (RZIM) President Michael Ramsden posted a video a few days ago apologizing for his own role and complicity in the Ravi Zacharias sex scandal.
In the video, which is unlisted and not available for public searching, Ramsden shares how he has been “stunned at the depth and duration of his (Zacharias) abuse and deception” and that “I completely trusted various deceptive narratives and accounts. And I was wrong. I realize that in passing on those false accounts to others, and in speaking in his defense, I have greatly multiplied the pain, the hurt, and the damage that’s been felt and experienced by many.”
He tells the victims of Zaharias that “I believe your testimonies about the horrific abuses that you suffered, and also the terrible consequences you’ve had to endure and live with” and apologizes to Lori Anne Thompson as well, confessing that in his pride he thought he knew Ravi better than she did, and believed he could perceive Ravi’s heart to know he would never do these things.
He also apologized for the lack of discernment and follow-up of accusations, explaining:
“…while at times I did question Ravi about his life on the road, and time away from family and the challenges that brings, I realize now that I fail to see beyond the superficial answers or to take his defensiveness as a potential sign of a more serious struggle. I consistently misinterpreted him. I also failed to consider the effects of my admiration for him, and the approval I sought from him. I allowed the good that I saw in him publicly and privately when we were together to dictate my conclusions as to whether he was innocent or guilty.”
In February of 2021, RZIM released the report detailing years of sexual abuse and secret sins that Ravi Zacharias was embroiled with, including sexting and repeatedly propositioning women for sex and sexual activities during and after his massages, effectively living a double life for decades.
While RZIM CEO Sarah Davis, daughter to Ravi Zacharias has released her own statement apologizing for the role she and her organization played in covering up the abuse, his son Nathan and wife Marge have not apologized, but rather have insisted that their father and husband is innocent of all charges and has been set up.
In a post on Twitter, Lori Anne Thompson responded to Ramsden’s video, telling him that she accepts his apology “unreservedly”
We have posted and transcribed the video below.
Thank you for taking a few moments to allow me to share a few things with you.
In February 2021, the RZIM board made a statement, acknowledging the pride and arrogance that led us to trust Ravi Zacharias, his account of his actions. I made this statement my own earlier this year, and would like to reiterate my wholehearted agreement with it.
In that statement, we recognize the need for us to listen, learn, confess, repent, and make restitution. Over the past few months, I have begun that journey. And while I know I have much left to learn, there was a great deal I am convicted of, and wish to openly share and repent of now. What I’m about to say is far from being complete, or comprehensive, there are so many things I still have yet to learn to see, recognize and process. And I realized it’s also taken a long time to get here.
In making this statement now, I do know that there is so much more yet to come. I look to Ravi Zacharias as a mentor and spiritual father, and have been stunned at the depth and duration of his abuse and deception. It has taken this time to even begin to process this. I’m sorry for my long silence, and recognize that my own processing pales in comparison to that of Ravi’s victims. Not only because of the agony that you have personally experienced but because I recognize with great sorrow, that for many of you, silence was not a choice.
I completely trusted various deceptive narratives and accounts. And I was wrong. I realize that in passing on those false accounts to others, and in speaking in his defense, I have greatly multiplied the pain, the hurt, and the damage that’s been felt and experienced by many.
To each and every one of you who has been abused by Ravi Zacharias. I believe your testimonies about the horrific abuses that you suffered, and also the terrible consequences you’ve had to endure and live with. During the course of the 2020 investigation, many of you decided to remain anonymous. But we know that you are real people with real names, and that real damage has been inflicted, both on you and your families. What happened here matters so much, because you matter. And I’m so sorry that I failed by not hearing you sooner.
I admired Ravi Zacharias as a person, and as a leader. I trusted him and thought I knew him. I was wrong. In 2017, I believe the false accounts that he gave, and came to the conclusion that he was a victim, when in fact, it was actually Lorie Anne Thompson, who had been victimized by him. I’ve come to recognize many failings during this time, which I need to confess now.
First, I failed to treat Lori Anne Thompson with the respect that she deserved, by not hearing her or understanding what she was saying. Many times increasing the hurt and pain that she had already suffered. And in doing this, I failed not only her but also her husband, Brad, her family, and those who spoke up for her and on her behalf. This failure also deeply impacted our team and donors, because in failing to hear and see her, I grossly misrepresented what she was communicating and who she was. I am sorry, and I can only ask for their forgiveness.
I also failed to recognize my own weaknesses, and need to learn. I was convinced that Ravi Zacharias was trustworthy when it came to the issues of his sexual conduct and behavior. As a matter of fact, I believed him to be very naive when it came to these areas. I now realize that I was the one who has being naive. I’ve never been more wrong in my convictions, convictions that hurt and demeaned all of these victims as well. The conviction I carried led many people both internally within the organization and externally, to believe that they could trust Ravi’s account. Because of my trust in Him, many now feel let down not because we now know, but because in 2017, we failed to discover what he had done.
I now realize that I was wrong to trust Ravi for so long. I was wrong to repeat his false narratives, and I was wrong to rush to his defense when his integrity was questioned. At the time, I assumed that the absence of other allegations added weight to the idea that Ravi was innocent. However, I now realize that my assumptions were based on ignorance of the chilling and silencing effect, that Ravi’s lawsuit and the NDA had on any other victims coming forward.
Not only did I think of Ravi more highly than I ought, I also thought of myself more highly than I ought. I thought I’d correctly discerned his weaknesses and struggles. I thought I knew him. In this, I must confess my pride. I mistook his defensiveness for tiredness. I thought this was due to his extensive travels, the pressure he put himself under and tried to speak so often and write so much. And while at times I did question Ravi about his life on the road, and time away from family and the challenges that brings, I realize now that I fail to see beyond the superficial answers, or to take his defensiveness as a potential sign of a more serious struggle. I consistently misinterpreted him.
I also failed to consider the effects of my admiration for him, and the approval I sought from him. I allowed the good that I saw in him publicly and privately when we were together to dictate my conclusions as to whether he was innocent or guilty. I categorically failed Ravi Zacharias and failed everyone affected by what he did. I commit myself to continuing to learn from this and to see the mistakes, errors, and sins that I have committed to do all that I can to ensure that restitution is made.
In 2017, in my role as International Director based in the UK, my responsibility was to look after the leaders of our speaking teams around the world. As I look back, I wish I had used the influence I had to more deeply question the investigative processes that looked into Ravi’s behavior. I regret the weight that I placed on these processes that were examining him, especially those which were conducted by third parties. And I further regret that I didn’t question the rigorousness and efficacy of the outcomes of those investigative processes. I should have sought to assure myself of the nature of the processes and the strength of their outcomes, rather than accepting things at face value, and reassuring the team.
I realize my strong encouragement to others to put trust in these things as well, had a quelling effect on questions both internally and externally, and people felt silenced as a result. I also want to take this opportunity to apologize to our team. I did sometimes react with frustration and disappointment at the length of the investigative process. And I recognize that this will have been deeply distressing. And I’m so sorry for this.
I want to learn how to listen better and leave space for questions more. We are currently in the midst of a further external investigation into our processes and into our policies, as well as into our culture, how we conducted ourselves and how we acted. My commitment is that we will have the humility to recognize further failings as we see them and to continue on a path of repentance and confession, as we seek not only to learn from our mistakes but also to bring what we are learning into the future.
The only hope that we have in a situation comes from the hope that we do have in Jesus Christ, hope that is undeserved and cannot be earned. It is the only means of hope that I can see that could carry anyone who has suffered through what Ravi Zacharias has done into the future.
Thank you so much in being so gracious and giving me a few moments of your time.
Mackenzie Morgan, a worship leader at Refine Church in Lascassas, TN, took to social media and throw down the gauntlet and explain why she and her church have stopped using music from bands such as Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation worship, as part of their corporate worship, on account of the floodgate of false doctrine coming out of these congregations and from their leaders.
Morgan, whose church is Reformed Baptista and holds to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, explains that she stayed silent for a while about her uneasiness singing these songs, but then as the Holy Spirit convicted her she determined to really study and research these bands and the churches they spring out of.
She explains that “I was met with a terrible feeling of grief and sadness for what I was supporting” and concluded by affirming “It matters if a song is weak in theology and is not accurately displaying the Holiness of our God. It matters if churches are spreading a prosperity Gospel that is different from the Gospel found in Scripture. It MATTERS that each Sunday churches pay royalties to these churches in order to be able to sing their music, furthering these church’s outreach and their false gospel message. I had to sit in the fact that I had supported these churches. With my money, time, and was opening up the doors for others to discover their false teachings.’
You can see the full post below:
Ok. I’m not wanting to make this post for the sake of controversy. I just cannot stay silent about this issue any longer. You have been warned.
Leading the music part of our worship service at church looks a lot different now for me than it used to in this picture. I’ve kept pretty quiet about my convictions on mainstream worship music, but since it is such an important part of worship and the modern evangelical church, I realize just because not everyone agrees with my position is not a reason to stay silent. So here it goes from your volunteer loud person.
For a long time I felt extremely convicted singing and supporting popular worship bands such as Hillsong, Elevation, Bethel Music, etc. No one else saw anything wrong with it, so I told myself it was okay and thought there was something wrong with me for not liking what I was singing. Well, I realize now the conviction of the Holy Spirit was guiding me all along. One day I decided I was going to figure it out. Once and for all. Black and white. So I studied. And studied. And studied some more. I researched what these bands and their churches were teaching to their congregations on Sunday mornings and behind the scenes, and unfortunately I was met with a terrible feeling of grief and sadness for what I was supporting.
The individual problems are too numerous and lengthy for me to list in a post, but I cannot support these churches such as Elevation and the teachings of Steven Furtick. For his belief in modalism, which is the belief that God is not one being and three persons, but that God switches into ‘modes’ of each person of the Trinity. Folks, that is heresy. As for Bethel, that one should be pretty obvious.
No matter what, we must all agree with this: theology matters. I can’t even stress that enough. It matters if a song is weak in theology and is not accurately displaying the Holiness of our God. It matters if churches are spreading a prosperity Gospel that is different from the Gospel found in Scripture. It MATTERS that each Sunday churches pay royalties to these churches in order to be able to sing their music, furthering these church’s outreach and their false gospel message. I had to sit in the fact that I had supported these churches. With my money, time, and was opening up the doors for others to discover their false teachings.
Call me crazy, call me legalistic, call me whatever you want to. I know it’s not what anyone wants to hear. Music plays on our emotions. But maybe it’s time we start looking at the Scriptures to see what God truly calls for in worship and get over what we want.
The saddest part for me is that people will nod their heads and agree with me, but ultimately they don’t care. I can muster up all the words in the dictionary to pull on your heartstrings, but I can’t make you care. Only God can. That’s not what I’m here to do.
I told myself it was all in my head and I was overthinking it. But what if I wasn’t? What if the majority of the church is leading its people astray singing music that is less than worthy of a Sovereign and Holy God? Would God be pleased with the lights? With the smoke machines? With the obsession of hands in the air and ‘response’ from the crowd? With loud worship nights singing songs He doesn’t approve of? Why did God strike Nadab and Abihu dead with fire because of their offerings referred to in Leviticus 10:1 as ‘strange fire’? Because the fire they offered wasn’t authorized by God. Because He is a Holy God who is deserving of far more than we could ever offer and deserves only what is found in Scripture. But we think that’s too harsh. Like, we’re the holy ones? Why does the clay get to dictate to the Potter what is good?
I know not everyone will agree with me, and that’s okay. But just because something is popular, doesn’t make it Biblical. We can’t sit back and not do our own studying and research. Look at who’s songs you’re singing. Read their church’s doctrine and see what they preach, teach, and believe. But don’t stop there. Don’t compare it to your traditions or what you think is right. Compare it with Scripture. Scripture is the ultimate authority. Not me, not your pastor, not the world, only God. There are no gray areas in God’s Word. His Word tells us it is sufficient for every good work.
Thankfully, there are other solid, Biblical churches with music and lyrics rich in theology to listen to. A couple of the ones I sing and listen to most are Sovereign Grace Music and Cityalight music. I would highly recommend listening to them! If anyone reading this far would like to talk more with me about this issue, feel free to private message me. I’d be more than happy to. Lovingly, of course. And know that I write all this from the place of someone that cares. We’re all growing in our sanctification at different rates. I just wish someone would have sat me down and told me the truth years ago. Maybe I would have listened. Soli Deo Gloria
If you ever wanted to hear Elevation Worship sing songs of praise to Jesus and maybe a bit to themselves, now’s your chance. Steven Furtick and the worship and praise team from the North Carolina church by the same name are going on the road, with the 8-city arena tour “Elevation Nights” kicking off October 26 and ending November 4. The tour will see the musicians hitting up Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and ending in Florida.
Furtick will be joining the tour to give a little sermonette before each performance, and then the band will perform some of their worship hits like “Graves Into Gardens,” “RATTLE!,” “Do It Again,” “The Blessing”
Individual tickets range from about $38 for the nosebleeds, up to $195 for front row access, with most tickets in the 50-110$ range.
If $100 or $200 for tickets seem like a lot to hear what is ostensibly the house band, don’t forget that Furtick once joined T.D. Jakes for a Christian conference where some tickets were $1000 each.
Furtick of course is the Lead Pastor of Elevation Church, a Southern Baptist associated, 25,000-member multisite campus with 17 locations. He is known for having the term “narcegesis” named after him (narcissistic exegesis) based on his inability to exegete scripture in a way that doesn’t make every story revolve around him.
Furtick has incredibly close ties with Trinity-denying modalist TD Jakes, preaching at each other’s churches and conferences and publicly declaring themselves to be the best of buds, with Jakes mentoring Furtick for years.
He’s also known for all things filthy lucre. He wears an insanely extravagant wardrobe, routinely appearing on Preachersnsneakers for wearing shirts and shoes that can cost hundreds or thousands of dollars each, as can be seen here. Furtick is also known for his lavish house – a 16,000 square foot, $1.6 Million dollar mansion sitting on 19 acres that Furtick downplayed as “not that great of a house” when pressed about it after news broke.
Hopefully, Furtick won’t be promoting his Trinity-denying hero on tour, nor will he be going on bizarre rants about angels.
Jory Micah continues prancing into apostasy without a care in the world, giving the world a living, breathing emblem of what it means to be wholly without the mind of Christ. Known across social media as a breath of fresh-air for those man-hating liberal feminazi types who want to pretend like they still practice some form of piety while hating anything and everything about the God revealed in Scripture, she’s managed to get none other than Andy Stanley to agree with her give her cover for her wretched beliefs.
Not particularly unique or original in her own right, she is essentially the knock-off brand of Jen Hatmaker, or perhaps the Wish version of Beth Moore, only about 20 percent more honest, and she unleashed on the world of fresh controversy when she explained that the goal for Christians is not to be “Biblical” but Christlike”
This is because she doesn’t believe the bible and despises half the things it says, resulting in her being pro-LGBTQ, pro-choice, denying the existence of hell, and routinely referring to God as a woman. Its no wonder she doesn’t want anyone to be biblical!
This plays nicely with Stanley, who frequently holds similar views in terms of the bible’s usefulness and the degree we ought to follow it.
For a brief reminder of the various theological controversies surrounding Stanley, he made waves for encouraging Christians to essentially throw out the Old Testament, arguing that believers should “unhitch” themselves from portions of Old Testament Scripture. This is essentially a spin-off of the heresy of Marcionism. He went on the warpath against doctrine in general, claiming that “unity is more important than theology.” Stanley argued that Jesus’ birth doesn’t really matter, thus casting doubt upon his supernatural birth and the events surrounding the nativity and also tacitly denounced Biblical inerrancy, at least in the eyes of many.
She writes:
One commenter, Matt, nicely summed up the problem with Micah’s and Stanley’s Views
Micah and Stanley have an idea of who Jesus is in their minds, and they want to define him absent and apart from the only source we have infallible knowledge of him.
And it shows.
Lest anyone had doubts that the United Church of Christ denomination (UCC) is about as crazy as a rat in a coffee can when it comes to their progressive policies and practices, delegates from the New Hampshire Conference introduced a bizarre resolution at the mainline Protestant denomination’s General Synod that reads like some bizarre version of The Lorax mixed with pagan Gaia worship.
Taking place during this week, the “Who will speak for the Trees?” A Resolution on the Rights of Nature” stood out from the usual progressive resolutions about transexual rights screeds and anti-Israel embargos by beginning with some good old fashion scare tactics, explaining that “The manifestations of climate change have radically escalated with increased severity, and it is more than likely we have ten years to dramatically change our relationship to nature” or else it will all be too late.
Getting particularly pagan, the resolution proposes that Christians no longer see trees as “objects” or “commodities” or view nature as an “it” but rather insists that we must see creation and nature as a “Thou” that is “alive with the presence of God’s Spirit and part of God’s beloved community.”
They explain that “Humans need a dramatic shift from the point of view that the Earth and all her resources are available to our sole benefit” given that “Nature is not there for enslavement, and it is wrong for people of faith to view nature as property that we own and may abuse.” It’s for this reason that they “call for prophetic action by listening to the cries of the Earth and by adopting this “Rights of Nature” declaration.”
Naturally, they list some ‘resolvements’ and they are about what you’d expect from an apostate denomination who’d just as soon have a mother Gaia statues crucified on a cross instead of Jesus, if not for the fact that the act of cutting down the tree to make the cross is likely the unpardonable sin.
-Foster respect and gratitude for Nature as divine gift. Combat attitudes of relegating Nature as mere capital for profit nor trashed as dumping ground for toxic waste.
-Promote the rights to Nature to be free from undue human harm, the right of healthy habitants, the right to species flourishing.
-Promote the rights of Nature to have a fair share of the bio-region and its goods
-Promote the rights of Nature to fulfill their ecological potential without undue human infringements.-Participate in the Season of Creation for September Sundays. Include Creation care during each liturgical season (Earth-seders, Tenebrae, Easter sunrise service outdoors, and Earth Day.
-Preach every six weeks often on Earth Justice.
-Ritualize environmental grief: Bio-Diversity Day and have days of remembrance for Lost (and extinct) Species.
-Start environmental grief support groups.
-Become a Creation Justice Church and Green Hub of God’s green grace
-Work for the Green New Deal
-Advocate for the Rights of Nature and take part in climate strikes and non-violent protests.
Thankfully, the denomination is in a death spiral, occupied by seditious seasoned citizens and confused queer kids, and is projected to lose 80% of their membership over the next 30 years- frustrating their ability to plant their particular plot of paganism ever again.
h/t to Juicy Ecumenism
North Point Community Church “impastor” Andy Stanley continued his wretched job of smarmily assessing what’s wrong with Christendom and then explaining why he and his church are nailing it 24/7- this time as it pertains to issues of race and racial reconciliation. Usually one famous for pushing the seeker-sensitive model, when it comes to topic he advocates for blunt conversation and an insistence on ‘offending white people’ in order so they can confront how racist they truly are.
Stanely has been on a roll since the pandemic hit, telling members that the “Foundation of our Faith is not the Whole Bible,” that the Lord does not require them to meet for church, that George Floyd was “This Generation’s Samson,” and to “Sleep late and skip church” during Father’s Day.
From the 400 Leadership Summit hosted by the OneRace Movement, when asked how he gets his church engaged in anti-racism work, given that his church is predominantly white and won’t care about this issue, as it hasn’t affected them much, he explains:
You have to offend white people with this topic [racism] to get their attention. It can’t be stated in balanced tones or we don’t even hear it, because no white person really thinks they’re a racist and they don’t even think they’re prejudiced. We don’t. And issues of reparations, all those things, it’s like, “Well, that wasn’t us and that wasn’t you, and why are we even talking about it?”
I really am convinced you have to push harder on that topic to even get a white man’s attention. And I know this from personal experience, in terms of things said in sermons, things that our other pastors have said in sermons that finally, you know it’s only when we get negative email that I know, well, we finally got their attention. They finally heard what we were saying, because it is so it is buried, so deep, and it is so easily dismissed.
And especially for white men who have very few interactions with black men or have virtually no black friends who are in conversations within, which we can talk about in a few minutes.
so part of it is, you know, the scripture addresses so many topics, but when it comes to this topic, because virtually no white man thinks they are guilty, it’s not enough to-, you have to push and push and push to the point where, “Hey. wait a minute. I think you’re pushing an agenda.” Well, you’re finally listening. I’ve finally gotten to that point of your conscience that it’s bothered by this.
h/t to WokePreacherTV for the clip and transcript.
We’ve been a bit quiet on the Kyle J. Howard front as of late. Not because there isn’t ample content to deal with, but rather because we’re suspecting that he is a bit of a masochist who gets off on trauma porn, chiefly his own, and so every time we post about him he reads it and then gets retraumatized over and over again, which makes him want to read more. It is a vicious cycle, and we are loathed to reward him for his efforts and his race-based proclivities.
Still, for posterity, here are a small collection of tweets over the last three days, giving a casual observer with no knowledge at all a glimpse of who Howard is, including his go-to move of painting all white Christians as a bunch of racists, and then mocking them when they get upset at the insult, as well as making insanelyracists comments that he would never let a white person say if the race was reversed.
Apparently J.D. Greear isn’t the only muse that Ed and Kathy Litton have garnered ‘inspiration’ from, as a new compilation video shows the Litton’s plagiarizing a 1991 Tim Keller sermon, making one wonder what his 8-member preaching team actually does all day, or whether or they were so arrogant to surmise that as long as he stole from a sermon that is 20 years removed from his, he would not get caught.
Keller has not yet indicated whether he gave them permission to preach it unattributed.
Previously Litton only admitted to the barest of borrowing from Greear for his Romans series, until it was revealed that far from mere borrowing he practically preached the same sermon. And not just the Romans one, but other sermons as well, going back years. Even another one of his church pastors got in on the action, himself preaching his own plagiarized sermon.
Now, Kathy Litton has joined the ranks of preachers from Redemption Church who has been caught plagiarizing during one of their tag-team preaching jams. While she may not have said the words in question, if she shares in the praise she shares in the pain. If she’s going to preach a sermon with her husband, we’re going to assume she also did sermon prep and wrote the sermon with her husband, making them both culpable for any sermonic shenanigans that may arise.
Capstone Report, who broke the story, explains that comparing sermons “reveals many areas of similarity in the sermons. Too many to be coincidental. Large sections of Tim Keller’s sermon were quoted without attribution by Ed Litton….the sermon utilized many similar points including Keller’s definition of marriage, advice on how to use Jesus to overcome criticism and even Keller’s definition of what shows a servant’s heart.”
Two of several such examples provided by CR show what’s going on.
Tim Keller: “You will start to fall out of like with that person in most cases before you marry them. In the courtship or in the engagement that’s where most people say I guess I shouldn’t marry this person I fall out of like with them.”
Ed Litton: “You are going to fall out of like for one another. As a matter of fact, it is going to happen before you get married just in the process and the minutiae of trying to get ready for a wedding.
and
Tim Keller: “The essence of marriage is a covenant a legal, a legal commitment.”
Ed Litton: “The essence of marriage, we said last week, is a legal commitment, a binding covenant.”
Tim Keller: “What makes a marriage a marriage?”
Ed Litton: “What makes a marriage a marriage?”
Tim Keller: “A priest can marry. A minister can marry. A justice of the peace. Marriage is marriage. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a captain on a ship. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a justice of the peace marriage is marriage.”
Ed Litton: “Some people say, well, I got married by a priest, do I get married by a pastor, a justice of the peace, a judge or a sea captain? I mean does it matter where I get married? I don’t think that it matters who performs the ceremony.”
Tim Keller: “When marriage pops up, originally was given to Adam and Eve. It wasn’t given to only Christians it was given to human beings as human beings.”
Ed Litton: “God created marriage and gave it to mankind. The first man and first woman were the only man and only woman. And God said, ‘Here, I give you marriage.’ So, marriage is for all groups, all races, all nationalities, all nations and frankly all religions.”
Tim Keller: “What is it that makes you married? What makes you married is this: a permanent and exclusive public legal commitment to share your lives together—all aspects of it. It’s got a permanent. It’s got to be exclusive.”
Ed Litton: “What is marriage? It is a permanent, exclusive legal relationship.
