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Leaked! Audio of Venue Church Pastor Tavner Smith Being Confronted By Congregants over Mistress’ Kiss

The Chattanooga Free Press has released leaked audio of church volunteers confronting Tennessee Megachurch church pastor Tavner Smith on December 17, 2021 over his affair with worship leader and employee Lexi Elijah, with Tavner explaining that he’s been through a lot these last few years, that they’ve been kissing (but only after they stopped living with their spouses) and that they intend to marry.

Unsurprisingly, over the course of the meeting, Tavner claimed that he would be transparent and open, and yet repeatedly said that there was some information he couldn’t share, and that people would feel different about their relationship if they knew the “whole story.”

Just go through my life in the last two years, y’all (unintelligible) a pity party, I’ve been through a lot. Okay? And I just would like a little bit of a break.

I’m not going anywhere. I’m your pastor, I’m going to pass through this church. God called me here and nothing’s changed about that. The vision has not changed. The promise still stands, what God spoke over this place is still going to happen.

I would just like a few weeks to breathe a little bit. I’m going to preach Sunday for Christmas, I would still love for you to bring all of your friends because regardless of anything, here’s what I’ll tell you. The gospel is going to be preached and it’s an opportunity for people to get saved. And I don’t know what you believe. I don’t know what your theology is. But when there was somebody that was preaching Jesus to get the Apostles in trouble… Jesus said it this way, because Peters, like ‘we need to shut them up’. And Jesus said this: “I don’t care if they got the wrong motives, I don’t care what their heart is, the Gospel’s being preached, don’t shut him up, because it’ll still save people.

And Sunday, the gospel is gonna be presented on one of the two biggest days of the year that people can get saved. So I’m gonna preach. I’ve recorded for online already, and it is a word. It’s a prophetic word over your life and your family’s life, and it’ll show on the 26, the 26 will be online only. And the first Sunday of the year, January 2, I’ll be on the stage to share Vision Sunday and where we’re headed for 2022 to the whole church. After that, I’m going to take a few weeks off.

I don’t know how long it is going to be because in talking to people I have around me and counseling me, I didn’t want to just make that number up. ‘Oh, I’ll take three weeks off, that sounds good.’

What I’m going to be doing is consulting licensed mental health therapists, physician, psychiatrist to say, ‘this is what I’ve been through for the past two years, this is what I lead, this is what I’m walking through. How much time do you think I need in order to really get to a place where I can come back and be new in 22?”

I’ll have that by the second, when we cast vision Sunday. I’ve already talked to some of the greatest preachers in this world. Already been on the phone with them. They know my story, they know everything going on here. They didn’t just want to, they were excited to preach for me in those weeks.

Our church is going to be in good hands while I’m taking a little bit of a breather. I wanted you to know from the bottom of my heart, I’m sorry that I’ll let you down.

I’m sorry (that/ when) I wasn’t fully 100% transparent, I’m sorry if you put your faith and your trust in me as your spiritual voice and a man of God, and my humanity came out, and I apologize. I don’t have any excuses. I just want to say I’m sorry and let you know that in the future that I’m going to be 100% transparent, and I’m going to walk this vision out as God’s asked me to do. And I truly hope you’ll join me.

As far as a statement goes, that’s really all I wanted to say. At this point, I know probably that you have questions…

Tavner Smith Apology by ChattTimesFreePress

Question to Smith “I hate to say this, but I need to ask this question. You said that you guys haven’t been sexual. Have you been physical? (Tavner: “meaning what?”) Meaning have you kissed?

“Yes. But..a caveat… never in any time where either of us were living with our spouses. It was, at my point I was 14 months outside of living with Danielle separated and her point she was eight months out from living outside separated. So in no time while there was we… (audio cuts out)

Question To Tavner Smith About Kiss by ChattTimesFreePress

Despite acknowledging the relationship, Smith rebuffed some criticism and refused to answer a question by one of the volunteers who asked him how he could insist it wasn’t an “affair” in light of his actions. He also did not answer questions about the “chili and boxers” incident.

Of course, it is the height of scumbaggery to be pursuing a romantic relationship with an employee in the church who is currently separated from her husband. Not only is the whole thing not an ‘affair’ but rather CLERGY SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. The fact is that Tavner should have been counseling her and the husband towards reconciliation, not putting the moves on her and acting out his vested interest in seeing the marriage dissolve.

When asked who was going to hold him accountable, on account of his position over the overseeing board, who the church doesn’t even know who they are, Tavner explained that most of the anonymous “big-name” pastors had abandoned him, but at least one stuck around:

“They know that they’re a part of everything going on. That’s been walking me through what I’ve been going through. Ron Phillips Sr, he’s the pastor of Abba’s House, he has been a mentor in my life. He’s been one of (the men) I’ve met with over the past several years, a lot of times, and he really believes in me.

To be just fully transparent with you all, I had three big-name pastors that were on my board. And then all this, they stepped away because they didn’t want to, nor did I want them to have their name tied to drama as we went through all of this, because I knew what it was going to be. I had a transitional season where I didn’t have a board for a few months. And to be honest with you, through some people reaching out to other pastors who were friends of mine, who I would have asked, none of them wanted to be on the board. And so I really dove into Pastor Ron and he’s the main…

Question To Tavner Smith About Accountability by ChattTimesFreePress

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Exposed! NAR Founder C. Peter Wagner Mocked Pastors who Dislike Cleavage/ Scantily Clad Women

Content Warning: The following video contains several instances of scantily clad women. Viewer discretion

C. Peter Wagner is the granddaddy of the New Apostolic Movement. He’s the granddaddy of Dominion Theology. He is basically the first person who named the movement and along with Cindy Jacobs, became the leader of it and developed the theology through his vast writings, authoring 81 books.

The leader of Global Harvest Ministries, he famously taught that the beginning of the second apostolic age began in 2001, when the offices of apostles and prophets were restored and renewed, and therefore the church in the 21st century would be ruled by them. Therefore traveled throughout the world promoting prophets and apostles into the church. In fact, one such of these was when he participated in the Charismatic Day of Infamy.

Basically, his role in the movement, (which includes Lou Engle, Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Bill Johnson, Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner, Cindy Jacobs, Ché Ahn, and Todd White) cannot be understated. He was the guy. He was the granddaddy of it.

And he was messed up.

In a newly unearthed video, Wagner is shown commenting on the uproar and controversy with Sun Ho. Sun Ho is a Christian pastrix who cofounded the megachurch City Harvest Church in Singapore, along with her husband Kong Hee. This church had more than 33,000 members when it peaked in 2010, and was one of the biggest churches in the world. For decades, there was a concentrated effort to make Singapore a ‘Christian Country’ by NAR folks, who invested a ton of their time and effort into nation-building.

Despite being the pastor, Sun Ho decided that she wanted a music career in Mandarin Pop. Despite having the opportunity to do so modestly, she chose the other way, which involved her dancing and writhing around in barely any clothes and using sexually charged lyrics.

This went on for years, and she gained a fair amount of success. Certain people began to investigate her, however, and it was later revealed that the church had misappropriated nearly fifty million dollars to help build, launch, and sustain her career, which ultimately resulted in all six of City Harvest Church leaders being indicted and sentenced to between 2-8 year in prison. According to Wiki:

The November 2016 appeal revealed the City Harvest Church leaders spent $24 million on Ms Sun Ho’s musical foray into the United States which included a house in Hollywood that cost $28,000 a month in rent; a whole entourage of staff; a $1.9 million paycheck to rapper Wyclef Jean to produce the “China Wine” video; as well as another $500,000 to sweep up her albums when they tanked.

Over the course of the trial, the court heard that Kong Hee had set up a multi-purpose account where church members deposited “love gifts” that were used to pay for expenses between 2006 and 2010.

Examples of expenses included more than $300,000 spent on travel, more than $100,000 on food, and over $100,000 on make-up and medical costs. Ho’s earnings of more than $400,000 a year came from these gifts, and Kong admitted in court that donors were unaware of Ho’s earnings.

This is the context of Wagner mocking pastors who were upset at what she was doing; as Wagner explains that the dress and the lyrics are fine with him if that gains her influence on top of the “mountain of arts and entertainment.”

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Fakest Exorcism Ever? Famous Charismatic ‘Healer’ Uses ‘Demon Possesed’ Kids as Props

Kathryn Krick is fast becoming one of the most well-known and popular charismatic huckster apostles, accumulating over 900,000 followers on TikTok and 8.5 million views, with her other socials adding tens of thousands of more followers and fans. According to her website:

Apostle Kathryn is the Lead Pastor of Five-Fold Church, where miracles happen, people are healed, delivered, and transformed as the prophetic anointing flows powerfully. Apostle Kathryn is passionate about seeing people receive the power of God through the prophetic and apostolic ministry of Jesus; to see people set free, full of zeal, and transformed into mature vessels of God. 

She is uncomfortably bold in her public exorcisms and fake miracles, putting on extended shows of pomp and pageantry. For those wanting a deep dive into her many errors, Chris Rosebrough did a long-form exposé here.

In fact, we wrote about her previously, after she and another exorcist used the same actor to act demon-possessed.

Well this time she has hit a new low and engaging in some real demonic behavior herself, by acquiring a couple of children to pretend to be demon-possessed, in order that her gullible audience can “oooh’ and “ahhhh” and seek signs while she supposedly “cast them out.”

This is dark, dark behavior folks, from Krick, and from those parents who put them up to this.

Naturally, she posted:

Last night in Maryland, Jesus delivered these precious sisters! The look on the faces of the girls when they were free is truly one of the most beautiful sights I’ve ever seen. This family showed up to the church for the Revival is Now Maryland event at 7AM and the event didn’t start til 7PM!

Last night Jesus delivered these girls first! Renouncing by the parents was key to the deliverance! The demons were forced to flee! The girls continued to receive more deliverance during the event after this moment. The mother of the girls testified today “we have been on a long journey with deliverance, but for the first time our girls have total freedom!!

The youngest, Jacey, who is 8 received not only freedom but also the baptism of the Holy Spirit!“JESUS! Speechless, and I’m in awe and wonder. Thank you Jesus for freeing these precious girls and this whole family! He is so faithful!.”

We found the mother’s comment, and it is striking in how deceived she is, but also, how normal this type of thinking is for charismatics, who explains…well, read it yourself.

h/t to Revealing Truth for the vid.

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Todd White on Medical Leave for 3 Months After Major Health Issue

Charismatic evangelist and professional cold-reader and leg-lengthener Todd White has announced that he’s on 90 days bed rest, on account of a problem with his heart, and that this would be a good time to sow into his ministry.

For a brief time, many had thought the notorious heretic had repudiated his false beliefs after delivering an emotional sermon where he admitted he was not preaching the full gospel– leaving people to wonder if he’d been saved. We put on our discernment caps and explained this is how we would know he was repentant. Sadly, the next week he demonstrated that he was not. Since then he claimed that Jesus BECAME child pornography and bestiality on the cross and sampled Aerosmith as a prophetic worship song, showing that he’s just as sketchy as ever.

In a message posted to YouTube he explains:

Hey guys, it’s Todd White at Lifestyle Christianity. As you guys know, we’re doing a campaign called Expand 22. Unfortunately, for the beginning of this campaign, I had an issue come up with my heart. I haven’t been here at the training center, I haven’t been able to preach like I want to, I haven’t been able to speak like I want to.

I’m actually on 90 days of bed rest. Well, medical rest, the doctor said. Anyway, I had some kind of some kind of virus come in and weaken the left ventricle side of my heart, because I’m a big advocate of working out, big advocate of cardio exercise and healthy eating, which I still am. But it caused my left side of my heart to get weak, and so the pumping capacity was at 20%.

My heart is on the mend. It’s actually better than it was. I’m only 60 days out from being fully released to be able to go and preach the gospel and do everything that I’m called to do, and that is going across America, bringing the power and loves, (and?) making LCU as strong as it can possibly be.

And we want to bring God’s kingdom right here, right now. We want to see America saved but we need you guys to help partner. Please help us right now with this Expand 22, we really need help, we need you to sow now. Go to lifestylechristianity.com, look for Expand 22 and sow your seed now.

Bless you, we love you. Help us if we’ve helped you. Love you

Todd is on record as saying that all sickness comes from hell and Satan, and that it’s always God’s will to heal. He’s also claimed to heal hundreds if not thousands of people from muteness, blindness, cancer, bad backs, crippling arthritis, inability to walk, deafness, etc.

That this is a curveball in his own theology is an understatement. Still, we pray for his salvation and his healing.

h/t Shawn from Revealing Truth

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Bethel Leader Bill Johnson Continues to Lie About NAR ties

photo credit Remnant Radio via YT

Six months ago we celebrated what has affectionately been called the “charismatic day of infamy.” On that day, June 23, 2008, 17 high-profile charismatic “apostles,” including Bill Johnson, Jon Arnott, Rick Joyner, Che Ahn, and C. Peter Wagner, came together in a ceremony of “apostolic alignment” over 32-year old Todd Bentley, commissioning him to lead the Lakeland Revival and recognizing him as an evangelist doing the work of the Lord led by the Holy Spirit. This was to be an important step in the ‘Seven Mountain Mandate’ vision and theology of the New Apostolic Reformation.

Within a month of his alignment ceremony, Bentley would announce that he was leaving Lakeland and stepping down. A few days after that, he told the world he divorcing his wife and it was revealed that during his time as leader of the revival, as he was getting aligned by the apostles, he had been engaging in “an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff,” and getting drunk all the time, spiraling into depression, anxiety, and babbling on stage in a series of pseudo-spiritual slurs that were gobbled up by desperate and deceived charismatics as words from the Lord.

Despite the clear evidence that he’s up to his elbows in it, in a series of apologetic videos released on YouTube, Johnson repeatedly denies being part of the New Apostolic Reformation, saying “we don’t belong to anything of that nature.” Yet we see:

h/t to Salt & Light for the video

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Charismatic Leader Has Video of Jesus Appearing On Stage With Him- We Review the Evidence

Charismatic leader Hank Kunneman, the senior pastor of Lord of Hosts Church and founder of One Voice Ministries, had an encounter last week where Jesus appeared on stage with him while he was preaching. According to his bio, this minister has a “strong prophetic anointing as he preaches” and “his ministry has been marked with an incredible accuracy in the word of knowledge and prophecy concerning nations and world events” who is “used of God in demonstrations of the Spirit with many testifying of healing and miracles” was surprisingly casual and blasé about the whole affair.

Kunneman last made an appearance after this website after prophetess Kat Kerr testified about a vision he had, and took a picture of the hand of God in the sky used to confirm his creds, which ended up being less than impressive. In this case, he recounts on Sunday night what occurred just days earlier on Friday.

THE RECOUNTING: Hear what the spirit of God is saying: In fact, there was such an anointing that came on Friday night, and as I was praying that afternoon, I said, ‘Lord, I just want you to do something that you validate what you’ve given to me.’

And all of a sudden, as I was standing there on Friday night, I literally saw, out of the corner of my eye, a human figure wearing a robe walk right around me. And I knew it wasn’t an angel. And I could see a beard and a mustache as it went fast, and it was Jesus. And I stopped, and I said, “Jesus, you’re here!” And you could feel the atmosphere immediately shifted…

THE INCIDENT: So the anointing of preservation is upon you. Now how do we know when the glory shows up that God- man, there’s something moving around me… that’s… Wow! I don’t care if you saw that. I just saw somebody standing right here. Maybe it’s the Lord Himself. Come on, Jesus! …I’m telling you, I felt Him right here. I’m serious! My whole being started shaking. I could feel it on my left side. Well, Jesus, You’re welcome here.”

That’s about what we figured the minute we heard about it.

Editor’s Note. h/t to that hive of scum and villainy known as the Friendly Atheist for the link.

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Charismatic Preacher Claims Reptile Alien Pretended to Be her Husband in Attempt to Seduce Her

A charismatic preacher appeared on the Jim Bakker show- that fount of witchcraft and woo-woo- to discuss all the way the dark forces of this world deceive the body, including the seductive powers of the lizard people who are seeking to cause us to sin sexually with them. This is the day after he had Dr. Michael Brown on, so you know he’s keeping it all in the family.

During the show, his guests Sharon and Derek Gilbert, both authors, podcasters and creators of Christian content with a sci-fi and/or end times theme , recounted the bizarre incident.

One stark difference between cessationists and continuationists that is quickly noticed and easily observed is that a continuationist can recount the following story and no one on the panel blinks an eye or asks any follow-up questions and clarification. They accept it as gospel truth, on account of these sorts of activities being an everyday part of their faith and experiences. Gilbert is not some fringe charismatic, but rather is planted firmly in the mainstream as she discusses the range of supernatural activity that an unsuspecting Christian may might themselves facing- lizard people imitating their spouses trying to sex them up, whereas cessationists would at the very least have questions. Many, many, maaaaany questions. She explains:

After Derek and I got married… one night, this other Derek appears in our bed. The real Derek is
lying down next to me. Other Derek sits right up out of it. It startled me. I knew that was not Derek. And
so I asked this critter, “Who are you?” Because he clearly wanted to have sexual relations.

And he said, “Come on, I’m your husband.” I said, “Who are you?” And he had the nerve to claim to be
Ahasuerus — Xerxes….Well, Other Derek seriously wanted to invite me to use my free will to do something that was going to pull me away from God.

…So this last time, I knew he was really desperate. And I asked him again, “Who are you?” He told me the
same answer, and I said, “I am not going with you.” This was an internal dialogue. Finally, I said, “I’ve
had enough” – in my mind. I reached up. I grabbed his face, and I said, “You are a liar. And Jesus is real.”

And I pulled that face off. And beneath it was a reptile!

And he had little creatures with him this time. He brought these little halfling creatures, and they looked like, I don’t know, gargoyles. They were very reptilian as well. So beneath that the face of Derek was a reptilian serpentine creature, probably similar to what was visiting the Anasazi…

Editor’s note. h/t to those reprobates at the Friendly Atheist for the story.

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Charismatic Prophetess : God Tells People Their Life Plans in Heaven Before They Come to Earth to Be Implanted in the Womb

When Kat Kerr, our favorite pink-haired charismatic meme-bot and “Dr. Michael Brown-approved prophetess” isn’t weaving an unbiblical tale of witchcraft and false theology by claiming that she has a picture of thousands of lioned-faced angels frog-marching chained demons across the sky in order to go to heaven for judgment, or that Miscarried Babies are Reincarnated For the Next Pregnancy she’s claiming that she remembers her time in heaven before she was implanted in her mother’s womb, revealing that God consults with pre-earth spirits and tells them about the life they are about to heave, before they are sent to earth to be born.

Speaking to chief-enabler Steve Shultz on Episode 49 of Wednesdays with Kat and Steve, Shultz ask her “are these children told in advance what their life would be like? Do they have to agree to it? Do they agree ahead of time knowing what their life will be like? Any of that kind of thing, what can you say?”

I can just share from my own experiences that I do remember sitting in the hand of the Father and him telling me what my life would be like on the earth or why he was sending me. I didn’t see any my family members in any of this that he showed me. I saw myself on the earth, doing things for him, and how important it would be that that I was willing, that I would be willing to do these things for him. He did not at any point say “you have to do this” or “I’m commanding you to do this.” (unintelligible) but “this is what I’ve chosen you for.” And I do know, he does tell each one of us before he sends us. I think that memory is taken from us…

She continues:

I’m just saying that, yes, he does tell you. He shows you some of what you will be doing, and how important it will be for him. And it may not even be something like discovering some sort of cure, or inventing some great system or something like that. It might simply be to be the friend of somebody who would be great in the earth. And he is sending you alongside them to grow up and impart God into them or let them know about God, or they may not have turned out the way that they did. So he does send people for many different reasons. But he has a reason to send everyone. That’s why he gets angry when the babies don’t make it.

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Steven Furtick Says God Doesn’t Make You into a New Creation

Steven Furtick is the Lead Pastor of Elevation Church, a Southern Baptist-associated, 25,000-member multisite campus with 17 locations. He is known for having the term “narcegesis” (narcissistic exegesis) named after him based on his inability to exegete scripture in a way that doesn’t make every story revolve around him, as well as his penchant to wear outfits that cost more than most mortgages and buddying up to Trinity-Denier T.D Jakes.

Ten months ago he replaced Kenneth Copeland at the always-heretical TBN, filling the role of the Innkeeper Thénardier from the musical Les Miserables (TBN being the Inn), with these “Masters of the house” doing whatever is the theological equivalent of “Charge ’em for the lice/Extra for the mice/Two percent for looking in the mirror twice” in his efforts to promote his brand of prosperity preaching.

He also recently said that ‘God is a Molecular Structure’, laughed at the notion of ‘Twerking for the Lord?’, went on a Wild, Wild, Willllldd Rant about Betas and Blessings, went on another Rant About Angels that got Weird Quick and screamed ‘I Am God Almighty!’ in a sermon.

Now, we have this gem, posted on October 24, 2021, to his Facebook wall.

That is some kind of something else, particularly because it directly contradicts scriptures such as 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) which specifically says ‘Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Not for Furtick, however, who really doesn’t care what the bible thinks and would never let a troubling little verse get in the way of a good point. This nasty little pearl was cracked open in his sermon yesterday, where using the example of Peter, he states that greatness and destiny was always in the disciple, it just had to be revealed.

And to think this is one of the most influential ‘pastors’ in the world.

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Documentary ‘Send Proof’ Released, Ft Charismatics Giving ‘Evidence’ of ‘Supernatural’ ‘Healing’

On Sept 14th, 2021, the documentary ‘Send Proof’ was released, featuring a ‘who’s who’ of false charismatic faith healers, including Hillsong’s Brian Houston, Shawn Bolz, Heidi Baker, and Randy Clark.

Collectively these men and women have not healed a single person, on account of their atrocious heresies and theology, and yet the video purports to show them as the best evidence for healers that Christendom has to offer, with the four of them collectively alleging to have healed thousands if not tens of thousands of people from cancer, blindness, regrown legs, back backs, short legs, deafness, and a couple of resurrections for good measure. The film’s promotional material reads:

Follow Elijah Stephens in his search for evidence surrounding miracles. When his former pastor leaves the faith, Stephens finds his own worldview falling apart, and embarks on a journey to find proof for the supernatural. Along the way, he encounters sharp atheists and skeptics but also finds others who claim to have evidence for miraculous healings.

Apart from the NAR folk, the film likewise brings on famous atheist skeptics (and notably no cessationists Christians) to refute the believers, all who are adamant that miracles do not take place.

The film disagrees, offering up one example as proof being Heidi Baker, a New Apostolic Reformation ‘Miracle Worker’ and Apostlette. Researchers headed down to Pemba, Mozambique which is the headquarters of their Iris Global Missions Base ministry to test the veracity of the known “healer.” There, researchers tested 24 people before and after Baker prayed for healing.

They concluded that unlike Jesus or Paul who performed miracles and healed the sick and dying, seeing instant, indisputable, complete and permanent healings, after Baker’s prayer, further testing only allegedly detected “statistically significant improvements in hearing and vision.”

The video is available for download for 15$, but we have no intention of watching it.

Bonus. One of the healers, Randy Clark, getting wild with the Holy Ghost