Pastor Tim Ross Says Eve Never Sinned In Eden, Was Kicked Out For THIS Weird, Unbiblical Reason
Tim Ross is a church-growth guru, podcast host, and pastor of Transformation Church who frequently says bizarre and troubling things, and his recent take on what really happened in the Garden of Eden is no exception.
We last wrote about Ross after he said it shouldn’t be considered cheating for a married man to dance sexually, get twerked on, and slap the butt of a half-naked dancer. Then we featured him praising famed Modalist T.D. Jakes, while saying a belief in the Trinity is a secondary, non-essential issue and that it’s crazy for Christians to divide over Trinitarian doctrine.
He also compared Jesus to a naked stripper that ‘puts bread in my pocket,’ mocked people upset about his lousy preaching, said he’s never once felt convicted about cursing and cussing, praised and extolled a guest on his show for regurgitating all the worst cliches of Critical Race Theology and anti-racism talking points, and refused to name names over a corrupt Bishop who was bribing pastors with sex.
During a recent episode Upset The World Studios, in an interview with Erwin McManus, Ross offers this novel understanding of the departure of Eve from the Garden of Eden:
Ross: The theologians in the room may disagree. I don’t believe that Adam and Eve got kicked out of the garden for what they did. I believe they got kicked out for what they hid.
I don’t think doing it (eating the fruit) was the issue. I think hiding it was. It’s the doubling down on what- hiding is the doubling down of what you did.
McManus: You know, I don’t know how this connects, but I think I was reading Genesis yesterday…and I was noticing that when God said, “do not eat from the fruit of this tree,” He was only saying it to Adam. Because Eve hadn’t been created yet.
Ross: Correct. She was in him.
McManus: “Yeah, and so I thought this is interesting because (Adam) didn’t transfer the value that God entrusted him with. And I was reading this going “wow, we always think it was Eve, but really Adam didn’t do his job.”
Ross responds to this saying that he wants to “co-sign” that statement, then adds:
Ross: Let’s double down. This is why sin is not ascribed to Eve. Scripture says Eve was deceived- Adam sinned.
Because what should have happened when Eve was deceived and brought the fruit to Adam is he should have slapped it out of her hand. And said, ‘girl, what is you doing? You about to mess all this up.’
So, because Adam at that point would have known the penalty of death, he should have called out to the Father and said, ‘I know what the penalty of my wife’s disobedience is, but I don’t want it to happen to her. Do it to me instead.’
…Christ was called the second Adam because Christ did what Adam should have. Adam should have died for his wife. Instead he chose to die with his wife.”
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These gentlemen are not that far off, if much at all. Depending on your theology, the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the garden was essentially the second dispensation of grace, and/or the second covenant. Rather than putting them to death, God showed mercy. And ultimately, that is why they were kicked out. It was because of grace.
What they’ve sidestepped, possibly as a matter of trying to appease the feminists, is the fact that it was essentially an assault on God’s created order. Satan tempted Eve and deceived her, by sowing doubt “Yeah, hath God said”, because God told Adam, as the head, according to His created order, who then told Eve. So Eve was deceived into doubting what her husband had told her.
Adam, then seeing that Eve hadn’t immediately died, himself began to doubt and distrust the Lord.
There’s a lot more to it, and a ton that is to be learned from the creation account, which applies to everything since, including better understanding here and now, but Mr. Ross isn’t that far off, in my opinion. His error, is essentially to imply that faithlessness in that which is least is of little significance. The first sin was plenty bad enough to warrant death. So it’s the faithlessness in that which is much, that is of somewhat lesser significance. The continence in sin, without repentance, is certainly worse. But the Lord would not have overlooked the first sin. Had they openly and straightforwardly repented, the manner in which God dispensed His grace might’ve been different, but their sin would not have been ignored, and would not have gone unaddressed (as we know from scripture). We cannot know what God might’ve done, and how He might’ve dealt with it, in that case.
By discussing and affirming the existence of God’s created order, these gentlemen are leading people out of the bondage of critical theory, which is at it’s very core, an assault against God and His created order.
We know ,scripture does not return void.
Whether or not it is their intent to lead people away from the wickedness of critical theory, and other antichrist philosophy, is somewhat secondary to the fact that that’s what they’re actually doing. For that reason, I’m not going to be too hard on them. It’s the wokeists who would say that there should’ve been no distinction between what Eve did and what Adam did. That’s critical theory (feminists being the primary promoters of it). The fact that there was a distinction, is what destroys such antichrist worldly philosophies. On the surface, some on the “right” will overreact, and say “no it’s not fair, Eve sinned too”. Well, that’s exactly how the wokeists would want you to react. Instead, the proper response is “yes, there is indeed a created order”, followed by “and that created order is not harmful to women”. Was there any harm in not eating from just one tree, in a garden that contained an abundance of food? Nope. No harm at all. Didn’t harm her one bit. So maybe there was an element of jealously. God told Adam directly, but didn’t tell her directly (because God is going to lead the leader)?
There’s a ton to learn from it. And the more you study it, the more you realize it is not a “myth” that could have been dreamed up by mankind. Nobody has ever had that deep of an understanding of human nature, sinful nature, etc. And the deceiver is still using the same tactics today as he used then.
“conservatives” should be careful not to overreact. If these men are leading people out of the bondage of harmful, antichrist, wicked philosophies, such as critical theory, then let them do so …