Hillary Clinton recently interviewed the Reverend Dr. William Barber on her Podcast “You and Me Both”, talking with Baber as well as several other guests on the topic of religion and faith. It was as maddening, skin-crawling, and headache as one might imagine, with Clinton mentioning in the opening salvo “to me, faith is a deeply personal subject, but it’s also something that informs my politics.” Needless to say, it quickly got to the point where we’d rather listen to an audiobook of a 14-year-old atheist reading the Bible in a condescending voice than we would have to revisit this podcast.
There were four salient sections, however, that we wanted to highlight: The first is a question asked to Barber, which in Clinton poses the following question:
You know, to say that Jesus and justice are the same thing seems to me to be so obvious. I mean, how can you be a Bible reading person, a church-attending person, and not understand how profoundly true that, you know, simple phrase really is. And yet you’ve spent decades now preaching and being an activist. How are you trying to open up people’s minds and hearts to understand what Christianity should mean and what should be expected of us who claim to be followers of Jesus?
Barber’s answers immediately veers off into social justice, progressive nonsense, which prompts Clinton to comment:
When you think about the very deliberate, concerted effort by one political party to basically try to own Christianity and it overlooks the role of the African-American church, it overlooks, as you say, a lot of theology, a lot of history. It also overlooks this moment in time. You know, Black Lives Matter I view as you know very profoundly as a theological statement.
The great theologian Hillary Rodham Clinton then speculates on why young men and women are leaving the Church, ascribing it to being too judgmental on things like…homosexuality, abortion, social progressive issues, and likely several other democratic virtues.
Because a lot of people are leaving the church. A lot of young people are leaving the church, in part because the way they understand what Christianity has become is, you know, so judgmental, so alienating that they think to themselves, well, I don’t need that. I don’t want to be part of that. So this should also be a time for the church to take a hard look at itself and try to figure out how it can be a real partner in this moment of moral awakening.
Finally, though the issue was danced around, Clinton brings it all together in his truly revealing question:
How can they understand that, you know, Jesus and justice mean the same thing if only we are liberated from a political, shortsighted, oppressive religion? And once again, you know, our fellow seekers. How would you address those who are really hurting right now?
Where’s that audio book again?