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Meet “God + Country” Talking Head Anthea Butler: Christian In Name Only, Quite Literally

The upcoming documentary “God And Country,” produced by Rob Reiner, alleges that politically active conservative Christians (all lumped together under the label “Christian Nationalism”) don’t understand True Christianity and have let politics subsume their faith. However, if you take a look at who is delivering this message, it becomes clear this is a case of DARVO (an acronym for “deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender”).

To a person, the film’s talking heads all display eye-socket logs of theological compromise in service of politics. In this series of articles, you will see the “experts” of “God And Country” are either firmly outside Christianity in theology and practice or deeply compromised on basic Christian ethics.

Today, we examine Anthea Butler, a Professor at UPenn and the chair of its Religious Studies department. In the G+C trailer, Butler does not speak on the nature of the Christian faith, unlike New Age nun Simone Campbell. Her highlighted quotes focus on political outcomes.

“What happens to the people who don’t believe this stuff?” Butler asks, before a cut to b-roll of a white man in a bulletproof vest angrily pushing another protester.

“The thing that keeps me up at night is that we lose democracy,” she says later. “Does that seem possible?” a female interviewer (possibly Katherine Stewart, author of The Power Worshipers, the book that reportedly inspired the film) replies. Almost immediately, Butler responds grimly, “Yes.”

Anthea Butler, 100% Antichrist

What’s nice about Butler is that she does not hide her heterodoxy with any subtlety or craftiness. If you find her speaking in a friendly setting, she will readily spout numerous complaints (in fact, just plain disgust) with all aspects of conservative theology. Just from a handful of interviews, we can see that Butler [emphases added]:

-Does not consider the Bible a “supernatural thing”:

It’s hard to even talk to people about how the Bible is constructed, because they think it is a supernatural kind of thing. And I’m like, this comes about through many centuries and the ways in which people pick certain books to be in the canon of the Bible and others that are not.

-Denies the exclusivity of Christ:

Some people think about the Bible as the exact Word Of God, inerrant and infallible. It is right for every rule of life. But most of the world doesn’t live like that. Most of the world is not even Christian. They’re, you know, Hindu or they’re Buddhist or they’re something else… [Q: They’re all going to Hell?] That’s what people think, because it says it in the Bible. But where does it say that? Where does it tell this? They’re going to all call me up and go, well, Jesus said, I’m the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes to the Father but through me, right? And I’m like, but when did Jesus live? These are the questions that hurt people, because I’m asking them to think broader and deeper.

-Is generally antinomian:

[I] think about the ways in which religion affects people historically and in the present day. And especially with Christianity, what you find is that you have Christians over and over again who say, “I want to live this way. I want to not have sex before I get married. I don’t want to be gay. I don’t want to be this, I don’t want to be that.” And then they end up messing up, it causes a lot of grief and pain to their lives. A lot of churches end up kicking them out. And what I’m asking you to ask yourself is, where does this come from? Why are these rules here? How are these rules used to say this is okay for some people but it’s not okay for others, right? And so that’s what I’m trying to get you to see in the context of America right now, where we have evangelicals who tell us: “Trans kids are horrible. We don’t want them exercising. We don’t want them doing this kind of stuff.”

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The black church has a problem with homophobia. The black church needs to get over it, because they know they would never be able to fill the choir. They would never have any programs in their church or anything. But even more than that, it’s not just about that. It’s about the acceptance of people, when we have been through so much, that you want to use sexuality as a way to define whether God loves somebody or not. That’s not your call. It’s not your call. And so I completely disagree with all of this. I am open and affirming and accepting of everybody… What has happened is that we have inculcated these white evangelical ideas about sexuality and purity and everything else that makes us bound up, that keeps us in chains and keeps us from realizing the fullness of potential of ourselves and each other, when we begin to think about all the things that God could do for us.

-Says Christians can learn from paganism how to improve our beliefs:

[“Indigenous faith”] is about family and about your ancestors and about the ways in which you look at the earth and all of the things that are in it, and how that relates to who you are as a human being. It’s a holistic kind of faith. What some parts of Christianity ask you to do is to dissect yourself from that. And so what people need to understand…is that western Christianity is based in western modes of thought. Those are not African modes of thought. And so when we’re talking about how this sort of western dichotomy about spirit and soul, soma and sarc…disconnect us from the way we are supposed to be connected in nature, to each other, to the cosmos, all of these things. And so I think what African traditional religions do for people is to give them a more holistic way of looking at the world.

While Butler is a nominal Catholic, we can see she clearly despises the basic theses of the religion she claims to belong to.

Shoddy Historian

You may object, “Butler may have liberal theology, but she’s not in the film to discuss theology! She’s there to discuss the political ramifications of Christian nationalism.” And that is a valid point, but even in the world of secular politics, Butler has a record too weak to claim any status as an expert.

Neil Shenvi has done important work reading through Butler’s book, White Evangelical Racism, which is often cited in polemics against “Christian Nationalism.” Shockingly, he found “Butler’s book contains no footnotes, endnotes, or in-text citations of any kind.” And even worse, she makes several plainly incorrect or unsubstantiated claims, raising questions on the rigorousness of publisher University Of North Carolina Press’s fact-checking process [emphases original]:

Throughout the book, I came across assertions that immediately raised red flags. The most obvious example is Butler’s discussion of Sarah Palin’s vice-presidential candidacy in 2008. Butler writes “Reporters for Al Jazeera… were dumbfounded by Palin’s responses to questions about Obama, such as ‘I’m afraid if he wins, the Blacks will take over…’ or ‘When you got a Negro running for president, you need a first-stringer. He’s definitely a second-stringer.‘” (p. 118) These comments are undeniably appalling, but they were not made by Palin. Butler appears to have taken them from an online transcript, which clearly states that the comments were made by “McCain/Palin supporters at an Ohio rally.” Indeed, the actual Al Jazeera interview can still be found online and it shows that these statements were made by people attending the rally, not by Palin herself, contrary to Butler’s claim.

Another example is Butler’s statement that “Evangelicals began to use the language of ‘religious freedom’ as a way to exclude LGBTQ persons from civil rights and to lobby for special status in cases such as the Masterpiece Cakeshop case… The religious freedom argument is an old one, originating in the nineteenth century, when evangelicals used religious beliefs about race to separate their denominations and justify slavery” (p. 131). It makes little sense to argue that the “religious freedom argument” arose in the “nineteenth century” given that the Maryland Toleration Act of 1649 stated that “no person or persons…professing to believe in Jesus Christ, shall from henceforth be anyways troubled, Molested or discountenanced for or in respect of his or her religion nor in the free exercise thereof within this Province.” Similar language was, of course, repeated in the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” These documents obviously preceded 19th-century denominational splits over slavery.

In other places, Butler makes specific claims without substantiating them. For instance, on page 76, Butler writes that “the underlying message of these groups [such as the American Family Association, Focus on the Family, and the Family Research Council] was that morality was essential to preserving the nation and that the sexual immorality of America, including race mixing, would be its downfall.” Needless to say, the allegation that these well-known evangelical groups regarded “race mixing” as a form of “sexual immorality” is quite serious and evidence is required. Unfortunately, none is provided.

More recently, we see examples of Butler filtering all data through her presupposed narratives, leading to bizarre and silly conclusions. In an unhinged op-ed reacting to the acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse, Butler asserts the case “can’t be separated from race and racism.”

“His killing of Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber at a racial justice march in Kenosha and then his being found not guilty send a clear message: White lives who protest for Black lives matter don’t matter,” she writes. Toward the end of the piece, she engages in some classic Kafkatrapping, that Rittenhouse’s avowed support of Black Lives Matter and declaration that he is not a racist is merely “a PR stunt to counter the accusations that he is a racist.” 

In a 2022 lecture for Harvard Divinity School, she notes that people of many ethnicities were present at the infamous protests and riot of January 6. Her explanation for their participation: “they saw themselves being able to transcend their racial boundaries… and to have the same kind of power that white Christians have in this country.”

The fact that minority protesters on January 6 may have sincerely supported Trump or sincerely thought the 2020 election was stolen never even crosses her mind. The only metaphysical framework that has any explanatory power for Butler is racial hierarchies.

One month later in a talk for Michigan State University, the professor named Michael Brown as an example of “innocent people” killed by police, saying his death was “over Swisher Sweets.” Brown’s initial contact with Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson was over an alleged cigarillo theft, but the reason for his fatal shooting was that Brown assaulted Wilson, grabbed his gun, and then charged at him when the officer gave chase. Wilson’s account of the altercation was backed up by several eyewitnesses and forensic evidence, including three autopsies, and ultimately confirmed by a federal investigation.

Fashionable Bigotry

I have often shared my suspicion that the “Beware Christian Nationalism” project is a recruitment strategy for the dying mainline, at best, or a strategy to justify state persecution of conservative Christianity at worst. For Butler, though, the motivation seems less strategic and more personal. She just doesn’t like us very much.

In a 2021 conversation with Georgetown University’s Terrence Johnson, Butler says she has “lost a lot of evangelical friends” with her unconstrained critiques, and it has been “a long time” since she has participated in any evangelical worship. She explains, rather bluntly, that a big part of this shift is her lack of love for “them people”:

I have become more admitted about not doing it, in part because I see it as not just a person who has faith but I also see it as a person who is an academic who thinks about history. Who thinks about it. I think where I differ from [James] Baldwin is that I don’t know that I think love is going to come fix this. I don’t think it’s about love anymore. I mean, Baldwin talked a lot about that, and that’s always where I have a problem with Baldwin. Because I’m just like, “You know I don’t love them people, right?” And you know I don’t have any love for this. This is not a good thing. [emphasis added]

Shortly before that admission, Butler expressed her horror that children brought into the U.S. illegally have been placed with evangelical Christians or adopted by them. “This is what I hope is not going to happen in the Biden administration,” she frets. “You just don’t put these kids in homes that they’re just going to end up being turned into little evangelical Christians.”

The evidence is clear: Butler simply does not want conservative evangelicals )those who believe the Bible provides absolute, universal truth and ethical standards) to influence society or for their beliefs to persist in future generations. This overwhelming animus shows her participation in “God And Country” does not come purely from a desire for inclusion and pluralism, and it is important for the public to know where her critiques are coming from.

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Meet ‘God + Country’ Talking Head Simone Campbell: A Queer-Affirming Zen Mystic Who Denies Jesus’s Miracles

The upcoming documentary “God And Country,” produced by Rob Reiner, alleges that politically active conservative Christians (all lumped together under the label “Christian Nationalism”) don’t understand True Christianity and have let politics subsume their faith. However, if you take a look at who is delivering this message, this accusation is a clear case of DARVO (an acronym for “deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender”).

To a person, the film’s talking heads all display eye-socket logs of theological compromise in service of politics. In this series of articles, you will see the “experts” of “God And Country” are either firmly outside Christianity in theology and practice or deeply compromised on basic Christian ethics.

Today, we will examine perhaps the most obscure figure seen in the G+C trailer: Sister Simone Campbell, a longtime political lobbyist who is largely unknown in the Protestant evangelical world. “Is Christian nationalism Christian?” she is heard in the preview clip. “Um, no, it isn’t,” she replies, wincing with concern.

Later in the trailer, Campbell declares, “Being a Christian is about the values of inclusion. Christian nationalism is certainly not based on the values of the gospel.” But what is her gospel? A review of Campbell’s writings and speeches will reveal a thoroughly 21st-century view of the gospel, mostly indistinguishable from Unitarian Universalism, where mysticism, unchecked empathy, and far-left politics all but erase the actual good news of Jesus Christ found in the scriptures.

Simone Campbell, Friend to the World

Sister Campbell recently stepped down from her leadership role at NETWORK Lobby for Catholic Social Justice. Among its backers were the pro-abortion, pro-queer Ford Foundation, to the tune of $350,000. Asked by Catholic News Agency (CNA) about those grants, Campbell shrugged it off as “small money” that hasn’t “changed our mission.”

She personally remains a Senior Fellow at Auburn Seminary, which is not a school that grants degrees but an organization to support “influential faith leaders who are committed to catalyzing and advancing multifaith movements for justice.” Her colleagues include non-Christians such as Linda Sarsour and Christian-identifying non-Christians such as Jacqui Lewis.

Campbell was a speaker at the Clinton Global Initiative in 2022, and she described the conference as “two days that vibrated with hope.”

Even if you don’t see any problem in these globalist, leftist organizations platforming her, we don’t need mere guilt by association to make a point about Campbell’s values. These associations give the color and setting for the content of Campbell’s ideas. In whose presence is she comfortable? Who seeks out her participation to advance their agenda among (at least nominal) Christians? And why? When we examine her beliefs, the picture becomes clear.

The “Zen Contemplative” Nun

Sister Campbell makes no effort to hide her New Age practices and beliefs, often referring to herself as a “Zen contemplative” in her own biographical blurbs. In a 2013 lecture at Union Theological Seminary, she said Zen practice “became the ground of my spirituality” after she was introduced to the mystical discipline. 

In a 2015 interview for the public radio show On Being, Campbell expressed a kind of monism she discerned through Zen meditation:

Zen can be used with any content because Zen is the discipline of the meditation. And — OK, so my experience was this, of meeting, of having in my imagination the sense of a sage. Saying — inviting me to go deeper. And that — being willing to do that was the biggest gift of my life ever. And being willing to know that — how can I say this? Well, to know that we’re one body. All of creation is one body. And I’m only just a little piece of it. [emphasis added]

Several public statements suggest that she holds to a universalist or possibly panentheistic stance. While talking about a particular Zen retreat, the nun admirably recalls gaining empathy for Republican lawmakers like Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnell. However, she describes her thought process in a strange way: “What I got pushed to understand was that if I was at odds with the god in them, I’m at odds with the god in me.”

In the summer of 2020, she prayed an invocation at the Democratic National Convention, addressing her god as a generic “Divine Spirit.” A clip promoting the 2015 documentary Radical Grace (executive producer: Susan Sarandon), titled “Sister Simone Campbell challenges religious fundamentalism,” shows her say that God is present wherever a person may “find joy.” Holiness and lawfulness (derisively referred to as “the rules”) have little to do with it.

In her book Hunger For Hope: Prophetic Communities, Contemplation And The Common Good, Campbell writes at length about her Zen practice, offering her clearest denial of the exclusivity of Jesus Christ: “Spirituality is at the core of our daily lives and struggles… For me, this spirituality is rooted in the Catholic tradition, but I have come to learn that there are many ways to be open to the divine presence in our midst. In my experience, it is this divine presence that knits us together. You do not have to be Christian or Catholic for this journey. You just have to be open to a story that is bigger than your own” [emphasis added].

Note the irony of this proclamation. In G+C, Campbell is gatekeeping who is a true Christian and who is a false one. But she also clearly and publicly transgresses a core belief of Christianity, that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father (John 14:6). Elsewhere in the book, she makes it obvious she sees this generic “divine presence” as the creator and sustainer of life (“we are hummed into existence by the Divine at every moment”), a role only ascribed to YHWH in the Bible. These statements amount to a denial that Christ is the only way to the Father, that in Jesus dwells all the fullness of deity (Colossians 2:9) and there is no deeper level of deity one can experience apart from him.

Revising Scripture, Diminishing Jesus

Also in Hunger For Hope, Campbell shares a strange anecdote about an interview with James Martin, the Jesuit priest who has been influential in Pope Francis’s embrace of queer sexualities:

He began with what he considered an easy question. He asked me to share my “favorite story of Jesus.” Usually I am very nimble in interviews, but this time I could not think of a single scripture story! We were both surprised.

Laughing, I finally responded that my community was dedicated to the Holy Spirit, so could he ask me about the Holy Spirit… His Jesuit community is dedicated to Jesus and therefore focused on the gospel story; my community focuses on Pentecost and the post-Pentecost vibrancy of the Holy Spirit alive in our world.

Campbell shrugs this episode off as an illustration of different emphases in different church organizations. However, it is part of a larger pattern of downplaying the incarnated Lord Jesus in her faith. In her public ministry, the activist does cite stories from the gospels often, though twisting their meaning into mere allegories for her social activism (more on that later). While researching her public statements, I have seen almost no mention of the cross, the atonement, or the resurrection from the dead.

In one egregious case, Campbell denies one of Jesus’s miracles recorded in scripture. She wrote a poem titled “Loaves and Fish”:

I always joked that the miracle of
loaves and fish was sharing,
The women always knew this.
But in this moment of need and notoriety,
I ache, tremble, almost weep at
folks so hungry, malnourished, faced
with spiritual famine of epic proportions.
My heart aches with their need.
Apostle-like, I whine, what are we
among so many?
The consistent 2,000-year-old ever-new
response is this:
Blessed and broken, you are enough.
I savor the blessed, cower at the broken, and
pray to be enough.

Looking back to G+C, obviously the film is going to do some nitpicking, particularly with charismatic preachers who have been overzealous in spiritualizing their support for Donald Trump. Those people do need correction – but not from anyone who denies the miracles of Jesus to score misandrist points.

What is the “Gospel of Inclusion”?

When not writing interpolations for the scriptures, Sister Campbell routinely twists the meaning of passages to fit her purely political paradigm.

In a 2013 op-ed for the Washington Post, she rejoiced that the newly-installed Pope Francis “seems to be loosening the bondage of fear that has held our leadership silent – and stifled the Gospel of inclusion.” 

She does not clearly define that term in the article or elsewhere, though she presents a vision of the Catholic Church “welcoming everyone into the community,” particularly those of queer sexuality, and points to several Bible stories as prooftexts:

The Gospels are filled with examples of Jesus teaching us to reach out to and welcome those who have been marginalized by others. Jesus reached out to the lepers, healed the Roman occupier’s son, asked the Samaritan woman for help, and prevented the woman taken in adultery from being stoned by judgmental men.

There is a truism here. Jesus did connect to social outcasts. However, he welcomed them into a particular kingdom, a kingdom with a particular king who has a particular law and who commands a particular faith. Those who reject his rule and authority do not become part of the kingdom, no matter how hospitably we treat them. To paraphrase the film Ratatouille: Anyone from anywhere can become a Christian, but not everyone will become a Christian.

More errors are readily evident in her view of the gospel. “The gospel is about fighting for a vision,” she said in a 2018 speech. “Politics is where our gospel lives in society,” she said in 2020. “How do we carry out the gospel in our social setting? It’s through the political realm. We have to care for those who are at the margins and to change the systems that create the margins.”

The word of God instead explains that the gospel is the good news of what Jesus has done for sinners, not the possibility of what man can do for society (1 Corinthians 15:1-11). As I often explain, the problem with the social gospel or liberation theology is the same problem as Bethel or other sects that claim the gospel is incomplete without miracles and healing on command in the life of the believer. 

God certainly will perform miraculous healings for his people, and he certainly will influence society through his people. Yet you could never see a single healing and you could never see a single law change, and you would still have the whole gospel if your sins are forgiven, the Holy Spirit dwells in you, and you have a sure hope of a bodily resurrection and eternal life with the Lord.

Campbell gets much more blatant with her mishandling of scripture elsewhere. “Jesus speaks of the need to be born again [John 3:3], and I have a hunch that the new birth we need to look for is this chance for politics to move away from moneyed interest towards the people’s interest,” she said in a 2015 speech.

In a 2017 address to mark Ash Wednesday, Campbell quotes 2 Corinthians 6:2, saying, ““[Paul writes] now is the day of salvation.’ Join me. I need you and, quite frankly, you need me to work together to create this day of salvation so that all are welcome.”

It’s quite obvious what’s wrong here, but let’s again take a moment to reflect. These anachronistic applications fit the pattern of her revision to the feeding of the thousands: rejecting God’s mighty works of salvation and offering a cheap replacement (man’s efforts toward utopia). She is clearly blinded to the actual power of the word of God. And yet Reiner’s film leans on her as an expert to define true Christianity.

Fully Affirming, Celebrating Pride Month

In addition to anti-Christian theology and spirituality, Campbell stands for anti-Christian ethics, clearly endorsing unrepentant sexual sin. In 2018, her lobbyist org NETWORK announced it was celebrating Pride Month. The next year, Campbell and NETWORK endorsed the so-called “Equality Act,” a direct assault on Christian conscience (e.g. forcing adoption charities to place children with queer couples) and a legal buttress for insanity like transgender athletes in girl’s sports.

Network Lobby/Facebook

In an interview for a podcast titled “Whosoever You Love,” recorded in the Human Rights Campaign’s studios, Campbell explained and defended her choice to support the bill. Show notes acknowledge the podcast was supported by the Arcus Foundation, a nonprofit led by billionaire Jon Stryker with an oddly specific dual focus: social justice for queer communities and ape conservation.

Campbell gives her full endorsement to the story of a woman who chose to live as a lesbian rather than repent (she derisively calls this “deprogramming”), gushing that her story is beautiful and inspirational:

Q: How are you able to reconcile your status in the [Catholic Church] with advocacy that can seem at odds with the perception and the hierarchy of that denomination?

Campbell: Well, for me, it’s a question of prayer and reading the gospel. And Jesus walked towards those who were suffering and included them. Welcomed them. Invited them in. And in my travels around the country, hearing the stories of the LGBTQ community, it’s anguish. It’s anguish. And the woman I lifted up at the rally that we were doing, or prayer vigil or whatever [low-quality video here: Campbell speaks at 12:51]. It was a mix of prayer and rally. The story of Nina, who had been thrown out of her family.

Her father was a Baptist preacher. She was thrown out of the family because she came out as a lesbian. And they said to her, if you want to be part of the family, you need to go to deprogramming. Whatever they call the Focus on the Family piece. And she did it for a few months because she so wanted to be part of her family.

And then finally, she just realized it was destroying her. It was destroying her, so she ran away. And she hadn’t had contact with her dad. She’d gotten contact with her blood sister. But what she had discovered in the process of doing her own work, her own therapy work with a therapist not in this deprogramming thing, is that she came to find love.

That the piece that was missing was a love for herself, and then she could find a partner. And that they had a baby, and she was so excited!  And then she came to this stunning realization that her community organizing work was quite like her dad as a pastor. That she cared for the community the way her dad did.

And that makes me cry to this day, the work that she did to find love and to be embracing at the time where she was most stigmatized. How could you not support Nina? I ask you, how could you not? [emphases added]

Minutes later, when asked about Georgetown Visitation Preparatory School recognizing same-sex couples in its alumni magazine, Campbell rejoiced: “Jesus is always about love and supporting love… Lifting up the love of their alums was more important to her [the president emeritus] than the kerfuffle over what sex do you identify with and who’s your partner. And I admire her greatly for the courage and clarity.”

As we examine more talking heads from G+C, you will see Campbell is not alone among them in being fully affirming of queer fornication and hostile to Christian exclusion of sexual immorality.

Conclusion

The film “God And Country” is clearly a polemic against what it calls “Christian Nationalism,” which can mean anything from ethnic cleansing projects to merely voting for Donald Trump, depending on who is defining the term. What is more important than what the film is against is what it is for. What is the form of “Christianity” that the filmmakers think is superior to their boogeyman? 

Sister Campbell’s faith is a universalist, mystical, Bible-editing, sexually libertine, ultimately man-centered religion. All of her statements that bring us to this conclusion are public information. The filmmakers are not likely to advertise her beliefs in the movie’s limited runtime, so it is important for the public to know where her critiques are coming from. What she means by “Christian” or “not Christian” is objectively at odds with the actual, historic Christian faith.