Johnny Hunt Insists in Court Transcript That It’s Not ‘Adultery’ If There’s No Intercourse + ‘I did awkwardly fondle her because she was coming on to me’
In newly released court transcripts, former SBC President and disgraced pastor Johnny Hunt is insisting that while he may have been ‘unfaithful’ to his wife by kissing another woman’s breasts and pulling down her underwear, he did not commit adultery, as no penetration took place, according to documents from BNG.
Thirteen years ago, disgraced pastor and former SBC president Johnny Hunt engaged in what he describes as a “brief, consensual extramarital encounter,” and what the woman involved maintains was non-consensual sexual assault. His church was never told about the incident and it remained a secret for a decade until it outed in the recent Guidepost investigation.
These allegations of sexual assault and revelation of (at the minimum) a “brief, consensual extramarital encounter” caused Hunt’s life and ministry to implode. He lost his job as VP at NAMB, was formally suspended from his position as Pastor Emeritus at First Baptist Church of Woodstock congregation, and was subject to great personal embarrassment.
Hunt later sued the SBC and Guidepost for labeling him as an abuser and making this public, saying that his sexual encounters were no one’s business but his own.
In his deposition transcript, Hunt employs his best impression of Bill Clinton, seeking to parse out the definition and understanding of the word “is,” claiming that there is a difference between ‘unfaithfulness’ and ‘adultery,’ and while he may have been unfaithful to his wife, he did not commit adultery, which he defines as the act of putting a penis in a vagina and seemingly nothing else. We see the conversation between Hunt and a Guidepost attorney:
Q. “How would you define in your own words abuse?”
A. “When I think of abuse, I speak — I think of someone actually being physically hurt or — so abusive, which I guess it could have been verbal too. But that would be all I would have ever probably considered.”
Q. “And has your own opinion of what sexual abuse is or is not changed since 2010?”
A. “Yes. It’s changed since I now am able to see the legal definition of it. Absolutely.”
Q. “And what’s your understanding of the legal definition?”
A. “To use sexual abuse would be in the context of intercourse, at least, and I know in the state of Florida, and I think in Georgia and Tennessee. So I see it in that context, but definitely not consensual.”
Q. “So I want to be clear, you think in order for there to be sexual abuse, there has to be intercourse? Under a legal definition?”
A. “That would be part of it.”
The subjects derails for a minute, but then the attorney presses Hunt again:
Q. “How do you define adultery?”
A. “Adultery is a man that is married and he has sexual intercourse with someone other than his wife.Q. “So Bill Clinton did not commit adultery?”
A. “I don’t know his story.”
Q. “If it did not result in sexual intercourse, which we will define as a man’s penis being inserted into a women’s vagina … .”
Q. “What do you consider being unfaithful to one’s spouse?”
A. “To be unfaithful, to me, in my heart, would have been to have gone to another lady’s room. But that is not adultery.”
Q. “OK. When do you cross the line from being unfaithful to committing adultery?”
A. “When you have sex with her.”
Q. “And by ‘sex,’ you mean intercourse?”
A. “Intercourse. Exactly.”
Q. “So you could be unfaithful by going to a woman — not your wife’s — room and kiss her and that is not adultery?”
A. “That’s not adultery.”
Later, the lawyer seeks to pin him down on how exactly he understands his actions, given that Hunt has claimed Guidepost engaged in a false narrative and “false allegations,” and pointing out that despite his protestations, he did in fact kiss another man’s wife, to which Hunt objects, insisting that he did not kiss her on the lips, while later admitting that he did kiss her breasts, as if the latter is not waaaay worse.
A. “I have never kissed her lips in my life. I have never touched her lips, so help me God.”
Q. “Now I’m confused.”
A. “OK, good.”
Q. “Because your complaint very clearly says that the encounter with Jane Doe involved kissing and awkwardly fondling.”
A. “Because she said I kissed her forehead at a time earlier. She just didn’t get the context, with her husband there, when they were both crying as I was offering counsel because things had fallen apart at their church. She also said on one occasion, which I do not remember, that I kissed her hand. And that was a real grooming moment, according to her testimony. But, no, my lips have never touched her lips.”
Q. “I want to be crystal clear that in her condo on July 10, 2010, you did not kiss Jane Doe?
A. “My hand raised to God, my lips have never touched (her) lips, ever.”
Q. “And you did not awkwardly fondle her?”
A. “I did awkwardly fondle her because she was coming on to me.
Hunt claims that the woman in question was “stalking” him and seeking to “seduce him, explaining his side of events”
“She talked me into sitting on the end of the couch. She was sitting on the opposite end. But then she turned around and spread her legs toward me. And then said, ‘Please come closer.’
That’s where she would say I pinned her in. At her request, I came and sat beside her. And then she lowered her top. She made herself available … and so when she did that is when I fondled her. And then I pulled her pants down with her help.
But as I did, I came under deep conviction, stood up and said, ‘I love my wife, and I love your family. And I shouldn’t be here. And I’m sorry. And I left. As I was leaving, she said, ‘Please don’t be this way. It’s only the first day.”
Finally, the lawyer pressed him further about this:
Q. “(These actions..) It was being unfaithful to your wife?”
A. “Yes, ma’am. But not adultery. I thank God I stopped when I did and left. And you can deem that fornication. You are severely wrong to call it adultery.”
And later again:
Q. “So just to be clear, the sexual encounter was full breast exposure with kissing and fondling her breasts while they were exposed?
A. “Correct. Correct.”
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But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:28
Johnny Hunt obviously has a more lenient definition of adultery than the Lord Jesus Christ.
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