Todd White Says Jesus’ Disciples Weren’t Saved or Born Again
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:11-13
Pastor, evangelist, and Leg-Lengthener Extrordinare Todd White continues to offer his own novel interpretations of the bible, claiming that the disciples were not saved or born again.
For a brief time, many had thought the notorious heretic had repudiated his false beliefs after delivering an emotional sermon where he admitted he was not preaching the full gospel– leaving people to wonder if he’d been saved. We put on our discernment caps and explained this is how we would know he was repentant. Sadly, the next week he demonstrated that he was not. Since then, he claimed that Jesus BECAME child pornography and bestiality on the cross, sampled Aerosmith as a prophetic worship song, and taught that “God’s in bed with you watching porn and wants to be your ‘climax’.
In a newly unearthed video* he explains:
“When I prayed the devil ran away! Look at me”- The disciples prayed and the devils ran away and they weren’t even saved”
and
“You are greatly deceived because the disciples prayed for the sick and weren’t even born again.”
This was echoed in something he said 6 years ago:
Leading figures in Christian discernment, like Justin Peters and Chris Rosebrough, have suggested that Todd White is demon-possessed. We absolutely concur and believe strongly that, along with Kenneth Copeland and Todd Bentley, the extent of demonic possession over this man is more profound and apparent than most.
Unlike the misled youth pastor down at the Assembly of God who might get carried away with old wives’ tales of the goofy-miraculous, White is not an ordinary charismatic. White engages in parlor trickery that must be learned, practiced, and honed. His leg-lengthening stunts, mentalism, cold readings, and street-level “healings” are all tricks learned and mastered by secular magicians.
He has not just ignorantly bought into a Sid-Roth-Style charismaticism; he has had 100% knowledge that the tricks he regularly employs to make him famous are manufactured and manipulative. Todd White is the worst of tricksters and miracle hustlers. His career has been to dupe religious types and gullible people into believing he is sincere, and he does it repeatedly.
Making up theology about the disciples is more of the same.
h/t Sean at Revealing Truth on YouTube for the vid.
*These clips are way shorter than we like, as we like to offer more robust context. We’re working on getting access. If/once we do, this post will be updated accordingy.
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I don’t care what anyone says about Todd, nobody lengthens a leg like him. Nobody.
Why do these guys roll with the weird facial hair or worse as they move toward apostasy?
Todd White says and does plenty of heretical things, so why post these out of context comments? For all we know, he may have been referring to the disciples not having yet received the indwelling Holy Spirit. Although a technicality, this does hearken back to Old Testament working of the Spirit in contrast to the indwelling Holy Spirit of those who have been saved after Jesus gave the Spirit. White was referring to the disciples actions before Pentecost after all.
Stick to the more obvious heretical teaching rather than highlighting these seemingly grey areas.
Paul, get a grip. The spirit was at work in the OT saving people. Nobody was saved by obeying the law, then or now. The entire OT religion was about the Christ who come. There is only ONE way of salvation…faith in Christ.
Tom, Obviously salvation is a work of the Spirit in the Old Testament as well, but most Jewish people didn’t recognize that reality. But what does that have anything to do with what I said? He’s a Charismatic. Many Charismatic / Pentecostals are going to attribute the new life of being saved in modern times as related to Christ’s giving of the Spirit as a seal of our redemption. Whether they believe in a first and second blessing, where the power of the Holy Spirit was given in the second blessing during Pentecost, or they believe in an all-inclusive one-time event, this is often an ill-defined grey area within some Pentecostal circles. The clip is too short to ascertain what exactly he meant by it.
I imagine some would say that the proof of them having been saved was by the giving of the Spirit at Pentecost, because before Pentecost even Judas was able to heal others, and of course was not saved. Others would say that in the garden when Jesus said to the Father that none of those that the Father had given him had been lost, except for the son of perdition, was a confirmation of the salvation of those who remained with Jesus. Others may point to after the resurrection when Jesus taught the disciples and stated that he opened their eyes to have understanding was a confirmation.
Salvation is a heart change. God knows who will be saved and who will not before we are born. We often don’t know at what point salvation takes place in the life of a believer. If God knows a person is saved when they are one year old, when they are 20, and when they are 30, but it isn’t known to them or others until they are 40, it becomes all perspective. God knew they were saved the entire time, but others didn’t know it until 40.
If we go back to the disciples, were they saved before they were born? Technically, yes. Where they saved when they were 10? When Jesus called them? Judas was called as well don’t forget. Or was it when they finally stopped doubting so much? Or when they finally believed after his resurrection? Or was it at some other point on the calendar?
We can say that when we believed in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead we were saved. However, the Apostles had an experience on both sides of that event. At what point on the calendar were they saved?
Clearly Todd White has something in mind, but the clip is too short to have any idea what he is trying to communicate. Whatever it was, it is likely wrong when considering his history. However, my point was to stick to critiquing what is clear within someone’s communication, not extremely short out of context clips.
Hello Paul. I said what I said to you because I was concerned with your seeming brushings aside Todd’s Twitter feed (or whatever that was) comments that the OT saints were saved by their obedience to the law. That’s a damnable heresy, the Galatian heresy, to be exact, that Paul anathematized. As for the charismatic, probably Todd’s too, view that there are two separate works of the Spirit in a Christian’s life, I would classify that as a destructive heresy, for setting up a two tiered class of Christians which the bible absolutely does not teach. If we are talking past each other here, I apologize and will endeavor to read you more carefully. The bottom line of all this is the Todd is completely and totally unqualified to be any kind of pastor…he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He should be in the pews learning from a faithful minister who was actually called by God and witnessed to his calling by the observations/inquiry of other faithful ministers and elders.
Tom, I just now read his “Twitter feed” comment. It was too small for me to read on my cellphone, so I just now zoomed in on it so I could read it.
As you stated, what he wrote is completely false in that post. My comment pertained to the video clip.
As you said, we were talking past each other. My apologies.
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Todd couldn’t get a real job evidently, so he got into the popular religious huckster game. Money, money, money, and the saps he has sitting at his “church” love his nonsense. God will not be mocked.