Andy Stanley Preaches Conspiracy Theory about the Origin+ Content of the Creeds
North Point Community Church ‘impastor’ Andy Stanley continued his wretched job of unhitching the church from all the scriptures by offering a novel take on ancient Christian creeds, such as the Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed, and Athanasian Creed, by claiming they had to be approved and signed off by the Emperor to ensure there was no command to love or mention of behavior, he could have the freedom to affirm them while still sinning an acting however he wants.
You’ll recall that Stanley previously said that it doesn’t matter if the bible is true, so long as it’s ‘mostly reliable, and that the “foundation of our faith is not the whole bible. In 2018, he got shellacked from all sides for saying that Christians needed to unhitch themselves from the Old Testament and in a recent sermon told Christians not to follow Jesus through the Old Testament, but only through the Gospels.
Engaging in some old old-fashioned conspiracy theory that he preached on February 15, 2015 as part of his Brand: New sermon series, he explains:
The problem with that creed along with other creeds is that there is no mention of love. In fact, there’s no mention of behavior at all. You could subscribe to that creed and basically do anything you wanted. There was a reason the creeds were that way. It’s because the creeds were generally signed off on by the Emperor. And the emperors had bad behavior, so the church leaders who were being funded by the emperors had to be very careful what they put into the Christian creeds.
h/t the Dissenter
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I would love to see the original source documents on this bit of Roman history. On the face of it, it seems like another “just so” story.
The creeds in question are very much basics of the faith in nature, so details are not included. “He will come to judge the living and the dead” would point to Scripture to determine the details of that statement, but yes, the main creeds do tend to be written with a “once saved, always saved” appearance on their surface.
While this aspect of Christianity is technically true, Scripture needs to be searched to determine the specific teaching on that subject. This is true for the other points of the creeds as well.
Accommodating all factions tends to narrow things down to the agreed upon basics while leaving things out that cannot be agreed upon. This would likely happen before it even made its way to the emperor.
If all in the group were strong proponents of the biblical teaching that all sins, past, present and future are forgiven, the statements of the creeds would come from that rather than the proclivities of the emperor.
The Fruit of the Spirit would be a nice mention in the creeds, but realistically, too much would need to be mentioned to differentiate between works achieved fruit or Holy Spirit inspired indwelling fruit.
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Creed….forgive us of things done and left undone.
Andy can’t see the love in that line?
Andy has been off the theological rails for years, now.
when your dad gives you a job and you have no marketable skills other than to grift the rubes you hate
The creeds were originally written to protect Christians from heretic charlatans, like Andy.
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