PCA’s Greg Johnson Suggests ‘Christian’ Gay Couples can Live Together, so Long as They “Desexualize” the Marriage
A pastor in the Presbyterian Church of America (PCA) has seemed to endorse the notion of civil unions for gay couples who become saved, saying that he wouldn’t encourage them to break the marriage apart but rather simply encourage the couple to stop having sex with each other.
Greg Johnson is the most controversial figure within the conservative PCA, gaining publicity in 2018 when he hosted and defended the abomination that is Revoice. (See notes below) Since then, he’s been staunchly opposed Overture 15, a proposed amendment to the denomination’s Book of Church Order designed to combat Revoice’s wreckage and make the denomination more biblically faithful with a purer sexual ethic.
His church is presently under investigation by their Presbytery after one of their ministries hosted a lurid concert event featuring filthy trans performers. The church is upset that anyone is questioning this ministry or choice of event, complaining that the possibility of being forbidden to let similar events occur will negatively impact their ministry to the pagans.
As a result of being occasionally taken to task by denominational leaders who have by and large utterly failed to deal with him and his theological shenanigans much sooner, and are now (poorly) dealing with the consequences of gay chickens that have come home to roost, Johnson’s church is intending to leave the PCA as soon as they can, but not without chumming the waters while he prepares to get going.
Speaking on the Apologia – Centrum för Kisten Apologetik channel on October 27 2022.
Question: It seems ok to recommend single gays to stay single, but what about gay people that are already in relationships- may be married and have kids? What should the church recommend to them?
Yeah, if the gay couple with a family you know, came to Jesus in my church, my goal would not to be to break them apart. (Unintelligible) I think in discipleship, really, the goal would be to desexualize the relationship, because the love they have for one another is not the problem.
You know, that’s not sinful. The commitment they have to one another is not sin. You know, it’s sexualization of that. And so, in all honesty, with a lot of gay couples, you know, when they’ve been together for a number of years, they’re not very sexually active. Some are, but a lot aren’t.
You know, I know one guy told me that, you know, after the first 10 years of sex just got boring. And so his partner, the most they ever do is snuggle in front of the television, but, they’re still there for each other. And so, that would be my direction in that kind of situation.
Johnson does not want to break them apart, because he believes the power of the Holy Spirit to sanctify gay people, “such were some of you, but you were washed,” is a fantasy. He believes homosexuals are an untouchable class whose sexuality cannot be redeemed and that even God doesn’t have the power to straighten their bent orientations.
Rather than what would be an appropriate direction to take take the situation in- the couple publicly renounces their marriage, stop living together, get in counselling, get discipled, and stay single or get married to someone of the opposite sex- Johnson, the seeming expert on how frequently gay people engage in their perverse approximation of sexual intercourse, offers only that he’d seek to “desexualize” the relationship but not break them apart. This is trash advice.
Furthermore, Johnson says that the love they have is not the problem- but it is! Because it isn’t love, it is a sin. Any feeling/ sensation/ emotion/ affection that a man or a woman has for the same sex that is beyond strong platonic affection is vile and a corruption of God’s intentions.
Johnson doesn’t even believe that gay people cuddling and snuggling is a sin to be discouraged. So long as the couple agrees to stop bumping together their incompatible bits, that’s about the extent of what they must change about their situation after coming to Christ.
Johnson’s response betrays how truly compromised he is, and is an indictment on the Missouri Presbytery for letting it get this far.
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Johnson here is technically correct; since the homosexual activity is the problem, removing the homosexual activity would solve the problem – in theory.
But, and this is the big problem, two people in a sexual relationship have that sexual activity as a significant, and defining, aspect of the relationship. Remove the sex, and either it returns or resentment comes into play, which will cause the relationship to dissolve anyway. The solution here is tear off the band-aid, and end things now, while they can still end amicably.
In the case of homosexuality, since it is such a life-defining sin, severing the relationship becomes exponentially important. Pretending otherwise is playing with fire and encouraging others to ignore that is pouring gasoline on them before encouraging them to play with fire.
Everyone tries to rationalize the judgement of God. “Go and sin no more” is a statement by Jesus that signifies a transformation for a habitat. This is done through the Holy Spirit. What else can be said. Murder is murder. Where is the forgiveness and grace boundary or limit? Does it stop or start? I believe that the conviction is displayed like sign of circumcision. It is permanent, but hidden from sight, until one’s nakedness is revealed! The heart is changed forever, yet the body struggles daily. We are sinners , and once redeemed we are changed. We are not to return to the vomit. How long does God forgive , 7×70, implying an endpoint, but that could be a lifetime. Sin no more is the message. The testimony of the sinner inspires, true transformation and redemption are connected by and outward sign not to continue is the sin. Living together implies a sin or scandal and suggests one thing while justifying another. The appearance of sin creates a perceived deceitfulness because it influences othe to find ways to justify themselves, which is sinful by not submitting all to God. It is the act of turning back to Sodom like Lot’s wife. To write this even convicts me and forces me to examine my behaviors of not fully giving all to God.
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