But Vischer took exception to the criticism he received about same-sex marriage, pushing back on claims that he has an unbiblical or unscriptural view of homosexuality and same-sex marriage. You can see much of that interaction here. Vischer typically has a whole lot to say about everything, but when specifically pressed to share his view on the sin of same-sex ‘marriage’ by @WokePreacherTV, on what should be a very easy, no-brainer question to answer, Vischer went strangely silent.
Unsurprisingly, he did what progressives usually do when cornered theologically on matters they don’t want to publicly divulge, lest they get #farewellrobbelled by the evangelical machine; offered to talk about it in private, away from prying eyes because it was “too sensitive” of a subject to discuss publicly.
WPTV: “If 2 professing Christians of the same sex become romantically involved, abstain from sexual activity until they are legally married, and live together monogamously for their entire lives, has a sin occurred?”
Vischer: “Not the topic of the thread or the show.”
WPTV: “Too sensitive of a subject, I see.”
Vischer: “For Twitter, yes. Happy to have coffee and discuss.”
We called this trajectory years ago. What a coward.
On episode 537 of the Holy Post podcast, Vischer is set off by Al Mohler’s column critiquing David French for his endorsement of the “Respect For Marriage Act.” In particular, this paragraph by Mohler really got him going:
One of the most perplexing marks of our time is the defection of so many “conservatives” from the cause of conserving what Russell Kirk called “the permanent things.” If marriage is not conserved—if civil marriage is not conserved as a man-woman union—then nothing genuinely conservative can last, at least for long. Support for the Respect for Marriage Act is bad enough. The way David French frames his argument is worse. This is how conservatism dies, and this is how marriage is surrendered.
In response, Vischer begins sniping that Mohler is “not defending the faith in this. He’s defending conservatism. Conservatism has become the thing that we are supposed to fight for. Not Jesus. Not the faith. Not the church.”
Then, in what may be the clearest indication yet that Vischer has become pro-LBGTQ, he criticizes people who say that heterosexual marriage is a foundational belief that must never be compromised, saying that confederate soldiers said the same thing about slavery, making a 1-to-1 comparison.
And I’m just trying to like- even the notion that nothing genuinely conservative can last, at least not for long. How do we know if that’s not a good thing? How do we know what isn’t good to conserve if our only value is conservation of what Russell Kirk called “the permanent things.”
And now who gets to decide what are the permanent things? Where does that come from? Because for 100 years, what conservatives fought to conserve in America was racial hierarchy. That was the number one thing conservatives were fighting to conserve, because that was a permanent thing, because that was God established because that was in the Bible, because the one thing that all Confederate theologians agreed on in 1865, was that the Bible was on their side. It was clear the Bible does not have any problem with slavery.
So we’re trying to conserve the permanent things. Slavery has always been a permanent thing in history. These northern Yankees who don’t know how to read the Bible, are trying to take away our way of life, and we must conserve it. So now we say “oh, yeah, yeah, but they were wrong. Oh, yeah. That wasn’t that wasn’t one of the permanent things. Now we know what the permanent things are. And the permanent things are the nuclear family as came into existence in 1952. That’s a permanent thing. And heterosexual marriage.”
Phil Vischer compares modern Christians who oppose legal same-sex marriage to (what else?) "Confederate theologians." Gets into a pretty heated rant about what hubris we have thinking that Edenic marriage is a "permanent thing" worth conserving. pic.twitter.com/5Vm4ru4XeH
In 2008, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints led the way in supporting Proposition 8 in California, which declared that the only valid marriages were between men and women and that homosexuals should not be able to receive marriage licenses.
Fourteen years later, on Tuesday, the Megacult came out supporting the Respect for Marriage Act, an ironically named proposed law that would protect and entrench same-sex marriages. The House passed the bill with the help of Republicans and now heads off to the senate. The Church explains in a statement:
The doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints related to marriage between a man and a woman is well-known and will remain unchanged.
We are grateful for the continuing efforts of those who work to ensure the Respect for Marriage Act includes appropriate religious freedom protections while respecting the law and preserving the rights of our LGBTQ brothers and sisters.
We believe this approach is the way forward. As we work together to preserve the principles and practices of religious freedom together with the rights of LGBTQ individuals, much can be accomplished to heal relationships and foster greater understanding.
The bill would require the federal government to recognize a marriage if it was valid in the state where it was performed and guarantee that valid marriages are given full faith and credit in other states.
The senators also indicated the new version of the bill would clarify religious freedom protections, including language confirming that nonprofit religious organizations would not be required to provide any services or facilities for a marriage.
It’s a lie, of course, as any religious freedom protections will be swiftly attacked and sought to be overturned. The LBGTQ lobby is not content to simply be able to ‘marry’ each other, but rather with inexorably demand and insist that all religious groups celebrate their perversions under threat of social ostracization, termination of livelihood, and soon much, much worse.
The hive of scum and villainy known as The Gospel Coalition keeps on getting worse and worse, with the newest exhibit, an article by Charlie Self. In the article and subsequent Instagram Post, Self argues that since the United States has legalized homosexual marriages, Christians who are ‘wise’ should ‘affirm’ the right of homosexuals to get married, even if they disagree with it morally. He says you don’t have to approve, but to find common ground with them for the common good, you need to affirm their right to holy matrimony.
Of course, this makes no sense. Cory Higdon points out: “To put it another way: “The unwise Christian will publicly proclaim both the individual and communal perils of any legal definition of marriage that violates the natural law.” By Self’s logic, it would likewise be “unwise” and “against the common good” to seek to have Obergefell overturned, as that would cause the homosexuals grief and to “live in fear.”
“Every culture and nation must find common consent in public ethics, specifically on what is prohibited, permitted, and promoted for the common good. True toleration must include living peaceably with deep differences. Most Western nations have extended reproductive rights to pregnant women. The wise Christian will affirm the legal right of consenting adults to procure an abortion without fear; yet that right doesn’t entail affirming the goodness of these arrangements. Believers can be good neighbors to all while diverging on some moral issues. This is the heart of a peaceful and pluralistic society.”
Hovind, also known as Dr. Dino, has a creation ministry of sorts that is run through his Alabama-based Dinosaur Adventure Land; a somewhat decrepit touristy destination where people can camp and explore the trails on ATVs and visit his creation exhibits. Routinely expressing and advocating for sovereign citizen conspiracies, he famously spent almost a decade in prison after being convicted of nearly 50 federal counts of tax fraud, at the time claiming that he didn’t owe anyone taxes (especially not Caesar) because everything he owned belonged to God.
This new ‘marriage’ continues a personal life that is in disarray and stained by sinful, selfish, and self-justifying choices.
He married his first wife Jo in 1973 and they stayed together until their divorce in March of 2016.
He then ‘married’ Mary Tocco in September 2016, though no sexual adultery had taken place in his former marriage, making him an adulterer. They did not get a marriage license and instead had a private religious ceremony. That ‘marriage’ lasted a little more than a year, and then they ‘divorced’ in 2017 after she discovered that he was behaving shady with the money again, and not on account of adultery.
He then got ‘married’ again in 2018 to Cindy Lincoln, becoming twice an adulterer in a private ceremony, and then he ‘divorced’ her and put her out in 2020, also without a legal marriage or divorce.
Now, he has ‘married’ yet again, this time to Sandra Sawyer, who explains:
If history is any indicator, she has a little under two years of being his ‘wife,’ before he ‘divorces’ her for number wife #5.
Justin Bieber recently granted a long-form interview to Zach Baron of GQ Magazine, spending nearly the whole thing talking about his faith and beliefs and the transition from the world’s biggest musical artist whose life was in shambles, to a stable, growing family man and husband. A few things worth highlighting.
On his marriage. How his wife is a “strong, consistent, stabilizing force in his life,” and how it has grounded him.
“The first year of marriage was really tough, because there was a lot, going back to the trauma stuff. There was just lack of trust. There was all these things that you don’t want to admit to the person that you’re with, because it’s scary. You don’t want to scare them off by saying, ‘I’m scared.’ ”
…[now] we’re just creating these moments for us as a couple, as a family, that we’re building these memories. And it’s beautiful that we have that to look forward to. Before, I didn’t have that to look forward to in my life. My home life was unstable. Like, my home life was not existing. I didn’t have a significant other. I didn’t have someone to love. I didn’t have someone to pour into. But now I have that.”
On how he relates to God, the call on his life, and how he talks to the Lord.
“He is grace. Every time we mess up, He’s picking us back up every single time. That’s how I view it. And so it’s like, ‘I made a mistake. I won’t dwell in it. I don’t sit in shame. But it actually makes me want to do better.’
…my goal isn’t to try and persuade anybody to believe in what I believe or condemn anybody for not believing what I believe. If it can help someone, great. If someone’s like, ‘Hey, I don’t believe that. I don’t think that’s true,’ by all means, that’s their prerogative.”
…I came to a place where I just was like, ‘God, if you’re real, I need you to help me, because I can’t do this on my own. Like, I’m struggling so hard. Every decision I make is out of my own selfish ego.’ So I’m just like, ‘What is it that you want from me? You put all these desires in my heart for me to sing and perform and to make music—where are these coming from? Why is this in my heart? What do you want me to do with it? What’s the point? What is the point of everything? What is the point of me being on this planet?’ ”
…I just kept trusting what He said and what He’s saying to me . And I just believe He speaks to me. It’s not audible. I don’t hear His audible voice. I don’t know if people do. I know people have said it, and in the Bible it talks about that, but I just never heard it. It’s more like nudges: Don’t do this. Or: Set these boundaries.”
On pastors who put themselves on pedestals and his attraction to new pastor Judah Smith, and why he trusts him.
“I think so many pastors put themselves on this pedestal. And it’s basically, church can be surrounded around the man, the pastor, the guy, and it’s like, ‘This guy has this ultimate relationship with God that we all want but we can’t get because we’re not this guy.’ That’s not the reality, though. The reality is, every human being has the same access to God.”
[Judah Smith] put our relationship first…[Bieber explains that he noticed Smith’s family seemed to care for one another] [That] was something I always dreamed of because my family was broken. My whole life, I had a broken family. And so I was just attracted to a family that eats dinners together, laughs together, talks together.”
Bieber is active on social media making consistent professions of faith, inviting a variety of pastors on to give the gospel. He will frequently talk about Jesus and his relationship with him, what parts of the bible he and his wife Hailey are reading, what he learned from a sermon, and will pray with his tens of millions of followers. He is a member of Hillsong Choir and has led worship at pal Judah’s Smith Churchome, as well as has preached from the pulpit.
Pastor Judah Smith lead Churchome, a hip-to-be-cool, celebrity-endorsed 10,000 member megachurch that recently cemented their theological obliviousness by bringing on Trinity-denying Modalist T. D. Jakes as a Board Member of their congregation.
The Seattle-based church, spread across its five locations in Washington State and California, joins other celebrity preachers like now-disgraced Carl Lentz and Elevation Church’s Steven Furtick in having very close ties with the “Jesus is a manifestation of God” Pentecostal Bishop.
By way of a brief profile, the Smiths are about as seeker-sensitive and biblically compromised as they come. They live in a multi-million dollar home and have a penchant for Gucci luxury clothes, where a single outfit can cost upwards of $ 5000$. They count Justin Bieber as one of their members and let him occasionally lead worship, with theoerotic songs like Reckless Love being a mainstay.
He frequently tweets stupid, unbiblical things like this, clearly having no knowledge of Acts 10:38, 2 Corinthians 5:10, John 5:22, 27, and other scriptures.
He is, by all accounts, emblematic of the skinny-jeans-wearing soyboy pastors that breed effemininity and are a blight on the church today.
As for where the couple stands on abortion and LGBT issues, more unbiblical, cagey, waffling garbage abounds. In a long-form article in Marie Claire that is worth the read, writer Jennifer Swann quickly zeroes in on the ethos of the couple, explaining they are as squishy as one can be.
We pray that Bieber leaves that church and find one where the scriptures and sound theology are actually taught.
In an interview reminiscent of Joel Osteen repeatedly saying “I don’t know” to CNN’s Larry King’s questions about the exclusivity of Christ, a visibly uncomfortable Lecrae hemmed and hawed his way through an interview asking about whether he’d go to a gay wedding and ultimately whether or homosexuality is a sin, serving as a damning indictment against the once-favored son of TGC and showing himself ashamed of God’s word.
In an interview with DJ Vlad, posted in part below, the host pressed Lecrae on his opinion of Chick-Fil-A President Dan Cathy making statements that are pro-family and against homosexuality, wanting to know if he agrees with them.
Lecrae, clearly not wanting to discuss any of this, engages in a bit of shucking and thriving, dancing around the answers in hopes of maintaining a burgeoning career and the approval of the world, putting on some comically clueless facial expressions and awkwardly asking Vlad “Does he still stand by that today?” as if our Lord’s view on marriage and sex and family is somehow not true yesterday, today, and forever. Seriously. The man looks shook to his soul.
Quickly confronted with a followup question over what the hop-hop-artist would do if his son were to come out as a homosexual, Lecrae puts on a masterclass of Matthew 10:33.
My thing is like this, I don’t… like… my brother’s gay..you know what I’m saying? And I don’t…I don’t condemn him. I don’t look down on him for him being attracted to [the same sex]. I don’t condemn him, you know what I’m saying? Like, if anything we will dialogue so that I can have a better understanding. Cuz’ I don’t profess to be like ‘I got this all figured out, and I know the way this should be.’ Like, I’m trying to read the bible, I’m trying to have conversations with people, and I’m trying to understand, you know the perspective, you know what I’m saying?
And I feel like anybody who wants to come at a person negatively, like, if you were a Christian and you came at me negatively, then it’s like you’re not giving me the grace and the space to be a learner. You know what I mean? Help me, you know, give me the grace and space to learn, and that’s how we move forward.
Lecrae is 40 years old and has claimed to be a Christian for half that. He’s rubbed shoulders with the who’s who of Christian leaders for nearly the whole time, and he still doesn’t know that Homosexuality is a sin? Is he ignorant, or just a coward?
“You can point something out to me and say ‘hey, this is what it says, Lecrae. You should know better, you should know this.’ Well, you know, give me the grace and the space to take my time and to understand the perspective on it and to understand why these people think this way and like, that’s the perspective I have. I’m more of a learner and I give people the grace and the space as I’m processing and as I’m learning and just walk with people through that, you know what I mean? Just be a life-long learner, man.
Vlad asks Lecrae if he’d be in his son’s gay wedding if he were asked to, and he totally would.
My thing is this. I want to support my son and let him know that I love him, you know what I’m saying? Let him know that I care about him. So for me it’s not about–my son’s going to know it’s not about a wedding,- it’s about, like, my dad being supportive of who I am as a person through and through, you know what I’m mean?
Unbelievably, he then proceeds to compare the sinfulness of a homosexual lifestyle to a preference between which sports his son is going to play.
Like, it’s not about do you agree with this decision or do you agree with this decision. You know what I’m saying? My son wants to play football and not basketball. I don’t like that…you know what I’m saying? I’m like ‘Bruh, I want you to play basketball, I don’t want you to play football. But I love you.’ You know what I mean? So even if I prefer you play basketball, I love you the person, so I’m going to rock with you the person, and I’m gonna walk with you. I’m a still be with you for the rest of your life.”
So, you know what I’m saying I don’t know. You know, there’s some people who are not seeing, not going to wedding because they just didn’t like the spouse. Was that ok? You know what I’m saying? Like I just don’t like your spouse. I don’t like the fact that they’re older than you or younger than you. That’s some preferential type of stuff. And I mean like, give people the grace and the space to navigate that. ‘Why he can’t marry her? Oh, cuz I think she’s a golddigger’ well..you know..walk through this. You know what I’m saying?
It is quite evident that everyone knows exactly what he is saying.
Now I get it to form the standpoint of like..is it wrong or is it right, and that’s where I will say there’s so much nuance to it for me, in term of like….is marriage uh…..uhh…are we talking as a government sanction situation? Are we talking about two Christians, because if it’s two people who believe in the bible and they’re holding to what the bible says, well then now I’m like “what do you believe the bible says about this?
If you don’t believe the bible, then cool why am I having this conversation with you? You know what I’m saying? It’s like, you do what you want to do.
Lecrae has said the quote he loves and lives by is “If you live for peoples acceptance, you’ll die from their rejection.”
