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Meet “God + Country” Talking Head Anthea Butler: Christian In Name Only, Quite Literally

The upcoming documentary “God And Country,” produced by Rob Reiner, alleges that politically active conservative Christians (all lumped together under the label “Christian Nationalism”) don’t understand True Christianity and have let politics subsume their faith. However, if you take a look at who is delivering this message, it becomes clear this is a case of DARVO (an acronym for “deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender”).

To a person, the film’s talking heads all display eye-socket logs of theological compromise in service of politics. In this series of articles, you will see the “experts” of “God And Country” are either firmly outside Christianity in theology and practice or deeply compromised on basic Christian ethics.

Today, we examine Anthea Butler, a Professor at UPenn and the chair of its Religious Studies department. In the G+C trailer, Butler does not speak on the nature of the Christian faith, unlike New Age nun Simone Campbell. Her highlighted quotes focus on political outcomes.

“What happens to the people who don’t believe this stuff?” Butler asks, before a cut to b-roll of a white man in a bulletproof vest angrily pushing another protester.

“The thing that keeps me up at night is that we lose democracy,” she says later. “Does that seem possible?” a female interviewer (possibly Katherine Stewart, author of The Power Worshipers, the book that reportedly inspired the film) replies. Almost immediately, Butler responds grimly, “Yes.”

Anthea Butler, 100% Antichrist

What’s nice about Butler is that she does not hide her heterodoxy with any subtlety or craftiness. If you find her speaking in a friendly setting, she will readily spout numerous complaints (in fact, just plain disgust) with all aspects of conservative theology. Just from a handful of interviews, we can see that Butler [emphases added]:

-Does not consider the Bible a “supernatural thing”:

It’s hard to even talk to people about how the Bible is constructed, because they think it is a supernatural kind of thing. And I’m like, this comes about through many centuries and the ways in which people pick certain books to be in the canon of the Bible and others that are not.

-Denies the exclusivity of Christ:

Some people think about the Bible as the exact Word Of God, inerrant and infallible. It is right for every rule of life. But most of the world doesn’t live like that. Most of the world is not even Christian. They’re, you know, Hindu or they’re Buddhist or they’re something else… [Q: They’re all going to Hell?] That’s what people think, because it says it in the Bible. But where does it say that? Where does it tell this? They’re going to all call me up and go, well, Jesus said, I’m the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes to the Father but through me, right? And I’m like, but when did Jesus live? These are the questions that hurt people, because I’m asking them to think broader and deeper.

-Is generally antinomian:

[I] think about the ways in which religion affects people historically and in the present day. And especially with Christianity, what you find is that you have Christians over and over again who say, “I want to live this way. I want to not have sex before I get married. I don’t want to be gay. I don’t want to be this, I don’t want to be that.” And then they end up messing up, it causes a lot of grief and pain to their lives. A lot of churches end up kicking them out. And what I’m asking you to ask yourself is, where does this come from? Why are these rules here? How are these rules used to say this is okay for some people but it’s not okay for others, right? And so that’s what I’m trying to get you to see in the context of America right now, where we have evangelicals who tell us: “Trans kids are horrible. We don’t want them exercising. We don’t want them doing this kind of stuff.”

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The black church has a problem with homophobia. The black church needs to get over it, because they know they would never be able to fill the choir. They would never have any programs in their church or anything. But even more than that, it’s not just about that. It’s about the acceptance of people, when we have been through so much, that you want to use sexuality as a way to define whether God loves somebody or not. That’s not your call. It’s not your call. And so I completely disagree with all of this. I am open and affirming and accepting of everybody… What has happened is that we have inculcated these white evangelical ideas about sexuality and purity and everything else that makes us bound up, that keeps us in chains and keeps us from realizing the fullness of potential of ourselves and each other, when we begin to think about all the things that God could do for us.

-Says Christians can learn from paganism how to improve our beliefs:

[“Indigenous faith”] is about family and about your ancestors and about the ways in which you look at the earth and all of the things that are in it, and how that relates to who you are as a human being. It’s a holistic kind of faith. What some parts of Christianity ask you to do is to dissect yourself from that. And so what people need to understand…is that western Christianity is based in western modes of thought. Those are not African modes of thought. And so when we’re talking about how this sort of western dichotomy about spirit and soul, soma and sarc…disconnect us from the way we are supposed to be connected in nature, to each other, to the cosmos, all of these things. And so I think what African traditional religions do for people is to give them a more holistic way of looking at the world.

While Butler is a nominal Catholic, we can see she clearly despises the basic theses of the religion she claims to belong to.

Shoddy Historian

You may object, “Butler may have liberal theology, but she’s not in the film to discuss theology! She’s there to discuss the political ramifications of Christian nationalism.” And that is a valid point, but even in the world of secular politics, Butler has a record too weak to claim any status as an expert.

Neil Shenvi has done important work reading through Butler’s book, White Evangelical Racism, which is often cited in polemics against “Christian Nationalism.” Shockingly, he found “Butler’s book contains no footnotes, endnotes, or in-text citations of any kind.” And even worse, she makes several plainly incorrect or unsubstantiated claims, raising questions on the rigorousness of publisher University Of North Carolina Press’s fact-checking process [emphases original]:

Throughout the book, I came across assertions that immediately raised red flags. The most obvious example is Butler’s discussion of Sarah Palin’s vice-presidential candidacy in 2008. Butler writes “Reporters for Al Jazeera… were dumbfounded by Palin’s responses to questions about Obama, such as ‘I’m afraid if he wins, the Blacks will take over…’ or ‘When you got a Negro running for president, you need a first-stringer. He’s definitely a second-stringer.‘” (p. 118) These comments are undeniably appalling, but they were not made by Palin. Butler appears to have taken them from an online transcript, which clearly states that the comments were made by “McCain/Palin supporters at an Ohio rally.” Indeed, the actual Al Jazeera interview can still be found online and it shows that these statements were made by people attending the rally, not by Palin herself, contrary to Butler’s claim.

Another example is Butler’s statement that “Evangelicals began to use the language of ‘religious freedom’ as a way to exclude LGBTQ persons from civil rights and to lobby for special status in cases such as the Masterpiece Cakeshop case… The religious freedom argument is an old one, originating in the nineteenth century, when evangelicals used religious beliefs about race to separate their denominations and justify slavery” (p. 131). It makes little sense to argue that the “religious freedom argument” arose in the “nineteenth century” given that the Maryland Toleration Act of 1649 stated that “no person or persons…professing to believe in Jesus Christ, shall from henceforth be anyways troubled, Molested or discountenanced for or in respect of his or her religion nor in the free exercise thereof within this Province.” Similar language was, of course, repeated in the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” These documents obviously preceded 19th-century denominational splits over slavery.

In other places, Butler makes specific claims without substantiating them. For instance, on page 76, Butler writes that “the underlying message of these groups [such as the American Family Association, Focus on the Family, and the Family Research Council] was that morality was essential to preserving the nation and that the sexual immorality of America, including race mixing, would be its downfall.” Needless to say, the allegation that these well-known evangelical groups regarded “race mixing” as a form of “sexual immorality” is quite serious and evidence is required. Unfortunately, none is provided.

More recently, we see examples of Butler filtering all data through her presupposed narratives, leading to bizarre and silly conclusions. In an unhinged op-ed reacting to the acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse, Butler asserts the case “can’t be separated from race and racism.”

“His killing of Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber at a racial justice march in Kenosha and then his being found not guilty send a clear message: White lives who protest for Black lives matter don’t matter,” she writes. Toward the end of the piece, she engages in some classic Kafkatrapping, that Rittenhouse’s avowed support of Black Lives Matter and declaration that he is not a racist is merely “a PR stunt to counter the accusations that he is a racist.” 

In a 2022 lecture for Harvard Divinity School, she notes that people of many ethnicities were present at the infamous protests and riot of January 6. Her explanation for their participation: “they saw themselves being able to transcend their racial boundaries… and to have the same kind of power that white Christians have in this country.”

The fact that minority protesters on January 6 may have sincerely supported Trump or sincerely thought the 2020 election was stolen never even crosses her mind. The only metaphysical framework that has any explanatory power for Butler is racial hierarchies.

One month later in a talk for Michigan State University, the professor named Michael Brown as an example of “innocent people” killed by police, saying his death was “over Swisher Sweets.” Brown’s initial contact with Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson was over an alleged cigarillo theft, but the reason for his fatal shooting was that Brown assaulted Wilson, grabbed his gun, and then charged at him when the officer gave chase. Wilson’s account of the altercation was backed up by several eyewitnesses and forensic evidence, including three autopsies, and ultimately confirmed by a federal investigation.

Fashionable Bigotry

I have often shared my suspicion that the “Beware Christian Nationalism” project is a recruitment strategy for the dying mainline, at best, or a strategy to justify state persecution of conservative Christianity at worst. For Butler, though, the motivation seems less strategic and more personal. She just doesn’t like us very much.

In a 2021 conversation with Georgetown University’s Terrence Johnson, Butler says she has “lost a lot of evangelical friends” with her unconstrained critiques, and it has been “a long time” since she has participated in any evangelical worship. She explains, rather bluntly, that a big part of this shift is her lack of love for “them people”:

I have become more admitted about not doing it, in part because I see it as not just a person who has faith but I also see it as a person who is an academic who thinks about history. Who thinks about it. I think where I differ from [James] Baldwin is that I don’t know that I think love is going to come fix this. I don’t think it’s about love anymore. I mean, Baldwin talked a lot about that, and that’s always where I have a problem with Baldwin. Because I’m just like, “You know I don’t love them people, right?” And you know I don’t have any love for this. This is not a good thing. [emphasis added]

Shortly before that admission, Butler expressed her horror that children brought into the U.S. illegally have been placed with evangelical Christians or adopted by them. “This is what I hope is not going to happen in the Biden administration,” she frets. “You just don’t put these kids in homes that they’re just going to end up being turned into little evangelical Christians.”

The evidence is clear: Butler simply does not want conservative evangelicals )those who believe the Bible provides absolute, universal truth and ethical standards) to influence society or for their beliefs to persist in future generations. This overwhelming animus shows her participation in “God And Country” does not come purely from a desire for inclusion and pluralism, and it is important for the public to know where her critiques are coming from.

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Atheist Walks On Stage at Church and Says Jesus Told Him to Come Up There

(The Dissenter) I’m going to stop short of making a determination on whether or not this guy was truly converted or not and the reason being is that I am not sure if he heard the gospel and truly believed it or not. That being said, this self-described atheist appears on stage at Arise Church and tells the audience that God told him to do it.

“Several people here know me and my wife Amanda,” he says, holding a microphone on the stage next to the pastor, Brent Simpson. “And something you might not know is, I am an atheist. But the funny thing is you know sitting up there in the back row, it’s hard to sit there and say I’m an atheist to myself in my head, because, God just told me to come up here.”

A cursory look at the church reveals that this church is….to continue reading and watch the video, click here.


This article was published at The Dissenter

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Christian Apologist Tyler Vela ‘Deconverts’ from Christianity Because God Did Not ‘Comfort Him’ After Divorce

Christian Apologist Tyler Vela, the host of the Freed Thinker Podcast, has announced his ‘deconversion’ from Christianity after becoming disillusioned with God following a painful divorce where he did not feel the comfort of God, resulting in his loss of faith.

The announcement comes the same week that Cameron Bertuzzi, host of the YouTube channel ‘Capturing Christianity’ declared his apostasy in leaving the Christian faith for the corrupt clutches of the Roman Catholic Church.

Vela, who recently graduated from Reformed Theological Seminary with a Master’s in Biblical Studies, specialized in debating atheists and defending Calvinism and the Doctrines of Grace, frequently appearing as a guest on many apologetic channels and pages. He explains:

For the past two years, I’ve been on somewhat of a roller coaster with God and faith and religion. And that trajectory while having some up swings, has been generally downward and away from any religious faith or commitment..

At this time no longer feel comfortable identifying as a Christian, at least not in the intrinsic, evangelical or religious sense. ‘Philosophical theists’, sure, possibly even ‘theistic humanist of the Renaissance variety’, even a ‘theologically conservative reformed philosophical theist’ at that as confounding as that may sound to many who are in the know and reformed or even just systematic theology.

..I fought for a long time against the growing tide of doubts and reservations and honestly, apathy and discontent, but found at the end of the day, that the more I fought, the more acute they became. Like an existential Chinese finger trap for which the more I struggled to free myself from, the worse it became.

Vela says that the news does not come on account of “unrepentant sin or addiction” or because he became disenfranchised by the Calvinism he was known to profess and defend, but rather because he stopped believing after God was silent after his divorce.

I’m definitely not an atheist. No, I don’t hate the Bible. I don’t think religion poisons everything or any of that nonsense. I lost my faith, not my brain, I still find Christianity and the Bible to be beautiful, meaningful to the human experience and in some significant sense true. But I just cannot remain tethered to the mast and pretend that I can, want to, or will order my life by the narrow precepts, though, its general equity is admirable

Vela pushes back on the idea that he’s only saying these things because he’s in a bad place:

However, many seem to think that I’m in a bad place now, that somehow this is a ‘right now’ decision because they think that I’m currently struggling. They want to pray for me and hope I find peace in this struggle and turmoil ‘right now’. That’s just an inaccurate. I’m actually in a really good and healthy place, probably the most peaceful, healthy and holistically happy place I’ve been.

I’ll make my feeble attempt to explain below, but my deconversion is happening, almost because my faith was of no value or help during the crisis I went through (his divorce). And so as I’ve healed and grown, I found it to be something that did not fit me anymore, something that was not authentic to myself. Like when you’ve lost weight and are more healthy, but then none of your clothes fit right anymore and are actually uncomfortable to wear.

As far as specifics, Vela reveals that God never helped him or heal him through his divorce, and because of this, he came to view his faith as a toxic relationship, where he loved God, but was never loved back or shown any affection or care.

My divorce wasn’t the cause or even the reason for my deconversion- it was more like a catalyst, not the cause. I didn’t lose my faith because I got divorced. Like, ‘God, if You’re real, I wouldn’t be divorced’. Now that would be shallow and honestly a silly reason. I mention my divorce because it’s an event that made me rip off a bunch of bandaids and come out of hiding. To confront a lot of very sinful and shameful aspects about myself in my life. My divorce forced me to confront myself and how I handled abuse and infidelity and how being a victim of circumstance had changed me into someone I didn’t recognize and I was ashamed of being.

What was weird, however, was that the more I healed and became more confident and at peace with who I am, I also noticed that the ministerial promises of the Bible seemed further and further from reality for me. That tension bothered me. A very strong cognitive dissonance set in. I begged and cried and asked God to get to make me more like Jesus, to love him more, to know him more to have the Spirit convict me, etc. But the more I did that, the less faith I had, because it started to feel that those are things that I shouldn’t have to beg God for. like a child shouldn’t have to beg their parents for love or care. They should not have to beg for a loaf of bread instead of a rock of fish instead of a poisonous serpent. My faith was diminished.

For those who seem to think that I’m letting feelings drive actions, ask yourself, What do you mean, as a Christian, when you say that God is your comfort? Is God your comfort? If you’re in fact, not comforted? Is it too emotional to desire to be like Christ?

He continues:

…It seemed to me that if God did not want me near him, or did not see fit to comfort me, why should I keep fighting for it? I had a painful tension between how strong my head believed the theology and what I thought the Bible affirmed, and how much, or rather how vanishingly little faith I had left, if any at all.

…I get the nobility of striving against sin and the devil and fighting for the kingdom and all that and never giving up. But should I have to fight for a relationship with God, especially if the promises are true that he is to be our comforter, our rock, our place of great shelter, the lover of our souls?

...I find myself almost saying back to God in his own words, if my child was saying that they didn’t even know if I loved him, and was begging to know me and to be near me. I wouldn’t hesitate to comfort him in ways that he felt comforted. If me being fallen and broken and sinful, as a father know that, how much more should you my heavenly Father. And yet that comfort never came.

…At some point, it almost felt like the toxic relationships we hear about where someone’s always demanding love and devotion, but never returns the favour. Says they love you, but doesn’t actually show you that you can have any value to them. But that’s just it. Right? I would expect on the Christian message…. something.

Surely something from my heavenly father who’s supposed to infinitely love and care for and protect and uphold his children, surely God would know what would at least be noticeable to me, right? Enough to keep me from walking out. I wasn’t expecting grand miracles or healing. I wasn’t praying for stuff or things for prosperity, or even for favourable circumstances. I just wanted him just like He promised. And God could have, just like I would for my sons, but crickets. For years, crickets.

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TobyMac New Song Reunites DC Talk Despite Kevin Max Renouncing Christianity

Toby Mac has released a new album, Life after Death, his first since his 21-year-old son Truett, who for years battled substance abuse, passed away from an accidental drug overdose of fentanyl and amphetamines in early 2020.

TobyMac once said of the opportunity to attract secular fans and have his music appeal to larger, mainstream audiences, “If I ever cross over, I’m taking the cross over,” and this album is no different, with most songs having a call out or references to his faith and trust in God. 

The album, written as a cathartic release for the pain he experienced at his son’s passing, has multiple tracks lamenting his loss and his belief that his son is in heaven now. In Rest he sings, “Rest, take a breath/ Push aside the noise and feel the air inside your chest/ Blessed, my child, you’re blessed/ Fall into the arms of God and rest your weary head.” In The Goodness he likewise enjoins, “Everywhere that I go/ You keep showin’ up/ Lord, You make me wanna shout it, oh/ You’re the goodness in my life.” In Faithfully, he shares, “I may never be the same man/ But I’m a man who still believes/ When I cried out to You, JesusYou were there faithfully.”

Typically viewed as a Contemporary Christian Musician who produces ‘Christian albums, some fans are up in arms over the singer and record producer reuniting with his old DC Talk bandmates for the song Space, on account that the song features former bandmate Kevin Max, who has completely abandoned the faith and is now a pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ atheist.

The song reads:

Space.
Tony Mac Ft. Michael Tait, Kevin Max

I’ve replayed it like a thousand times, I rewind it in my head
I can tell you that I lost my mind, or what I should’ve done instead
‘Cause the way that I felt when we parted ways
Got me all in my head, got me countin’ the days
Got me hopin’, got me prayin’
You are in my heart

But what do we do with this space
What do we do with this space between us
How can we start to erase
How can we start to erase this space between us

Would you step across a party line?
Would you walk into my cold cell?
Can you see me in a different light?
Would you meet me at the well?

‘Cause the way that I feel when you look my way
Got me all in my head, got me starting to think
Is it too far? Are we too scarred?
Yeah the heart is there, but what do we do with this space

CHORUS

I got nothing but love for you
(Nothing but my love for you)
And I know you feel the same way too
But this space, what do we do with this space between us

What do we do with this space
This space

It keeps no record, it keeps no record of wrong
It keeps no record, record, record

Love keeps no record
Love keeps no record
Love keeps no record of wrong
Love keeps no record
We’re never too far gone

About the inclusion of Max, he told Billboard:

“The second I wrote the first lines [of ‘Space,’] it was definitely something I wanted to do with DC Talk. It feels very personal because it is. I wrote it about friends that struggle and friends that feel warm toward each other, but don’t know what to do with the space that’s come between them. I climbed a mountain with those two brothers. Those are my dear friends, and they always will be. We experienced things together that I’ll never experience with another person — so I wanted to honor that. I was so glad that they both agreed to be on it, and so grateful that they would honor what we did, and the friendships that remain.”