Andy Stanley Says Gay Christians Have More Faith than Straight Ones+ Dismisses “Clobber Verses”
North Point Community Church ‘impastor’ Andy Stanley continued his wretched job of smarmily making his way into the consciousness of Christendom, this time by lauding up the faith of gay Christians as exemplary, over and above that of straight ones, while dismissing and brushing off certain scriptures as “clobber” verses.
You’ll recall that Stanley previously said that it doesn’t matter if the bible is true, so long as it’s ‘mostly reliable, and that the “foundation of our faith is not the whole bible. In 2018, he got shellacked from all sides for saying that Christians needed to unhitch themselves from the Old Testament and in a recent sermon told Christians not to follow Jesus through the Old Testament, but only through the Gospels.
Speaking at the Drive 2022 confernece, he explains.
(If we could) figure out how to get straight people as excited about serving and engaging as the gay men and women I know, we would have a volunteer backlog. That’s my experience in our churches. Let me just read it to you. A gay person- when I say gay, men and women, okay? A gay person who still wants to attend church, after the way the church has treated the gay community, I’m telling you, they have more faith than I do. They have more faith than alot of you. A gay person who knows, ‘you know what, I might not be accepted here, but I’m going to try it anyway.’
Have you ever done that as a straight person? Where do you go where you’re not sure you’re going to be accepted, and you go over and over and over and over? Only your in-laws house, that’s the only place you go where, you know you’re not completely accepted but you go over and over and over and it’s because you have to. But other than the in-laws, what environment do you continue to step foot in knowing at any moment, you may feel ostracized? No place.
I’m telling you, the gay men and women who grew up in church and the gay men and women have come to faith in Christ as adults, who want to participate in our church, Oh. My. Goodness.
He continues, calling certain portions of the scriptures “clobber passages.”
I know 1 Corinthians 6 and I know Leviticus and I know Romans 1– so interesting to talk abut all that stuff (Editor’s not. Pay attention to his tone there) but just-oh my goodness, a gay man or woman who wants to worship their Heavenly father, who did not answer the cry of their heart when they were 12 and 13 and 14 and 15?
God said ‘no’, and they still love God? We have some things to learn from a group of men and women who love Jesus that much and who want to worship with us. And I know the verses. I know the clobber passages, right. We got to figure this out, and you know what? I think you are.
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They do not put their faith in God. Their faith is in their humanist utopian vision for a world that accepts, supports, delights, and rejoices in abominable sin. That’s why they attend. That is what motivates them to continue despite opposition. It is to advance their wicked vision. They’re not there to serve and yield to God. They’re there to serve their own wicked vision, and to convince others to yield to it. They’re evangelizing for a satanic cause.
Andy Stanley knows this full well, but he spins it into something it isn’t, because his own motivations are the same.
It’s nice to be important, but it’s more important to be nice.
Yet another false dichotomy, but I know that wasn’t posted by Susan. Post using your own screen name, you deceitful, cowardly, iniquitous troll.
Don’t know who has decided to take over my name (hey, Johnny), but I’m here and will respond accordingly. At least my viewpoints are consistent.
Andy,
THE BIBLE SAYS:
“4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
The one who turns God’s grace into lasciviousness has not received Christ; they have denied Him.
Now do you see where he was going with the “we need to ‘unhitch’ from the Old Testament?” I guessed it 100% right.
Please stop harassing me, you heretical troll. You’re the new KKK.
I knew it was only a matter of time before you stole this screen name also.
You think it’s funny, but what you’re really doing is delighting in your iniquity. The Bible tells you, in 2 Thess. 2:12, that doing so will guarantee you an eternity in Hell. Repent while you still have time.
This particular comment is Susan Jones. I don’t know who the other person is. Maybe Johnny is back.
Yep, if I had to guess I’d say you’re right. It’s the same insufferable trouble-maker.
Thanks for having my back. These people are the new KKK.
Whoever is posting under my name just know I am seeing it and will respond accordingly. I didn’t write thanking Tekton for “having my back.” I’m good all by myself.
“while dismissing and brushing off certain scriptures as “clobber” verses”
A much better approach would be for Andy to dismiss himself from “the ministry” and just shut up.
Andy is a disgrace as always. He doesn’t even qualify as a heirling, let alone a faithful minister of the gospel. And here instead of showing real love by warning the homosexuals to repent, lest they be judged by a righteous and holy God, he shows them a corrupt and worldly “love” that will not speak God’s truth.
God said ‘no’, and they still love God? We have some things to learn from a group of men and women who love Jesus that much and who want to worship with us.
Does he even know what he just said here?
so based on this logic.. we should all carry on in our own sins regardless of what God says about them because we still love Him and want to be part of the church even though He said “no”.
what an idiot
Andy, like so many other “professed” Christians, evidently doesn’t think homosexuality is a sin. The sin is on your part for believing the clear teaching of scripture that it is. As long as people continue to populate his “church”, paying in oodles of money, he’ll keep spewing lies. We desperately need a 3rd Reformation in the church and nation.
We need to focus on the rich and the obese. Thanks, Tom.
Ahh, the above is a different Markus, by the way, and you can probably work that out for yourselves.
Better?
That’ll do, Markus J. Thanks.
If I could speak to Mr. Stanley, I would ask him this: Andy, what would Mrs. Betty Gardiner, your 4th grade teacher at George Mueller Christian School, think of you? She loved the scriptures, and taught us daily from them. You must not have listened. For that matter, what does your father think of your un-Biblical teaching? I’ll pray for your conversion.